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There doesn't necessary HAVE to be a story. Gonzo can be fine, but I want likable characters and quality film making.
To be honest, old times porn were not quality either.

Originally Posted by: Blir

Does porn need a story?

Compare the # of views and likes on this site between (1) images that have no background and are simply images of a couple or a pin-up with (2) images where the render includes a background that conveys a situation/story.  In my opinion, people want context (a story for lack of a better word) for their porn.

Myself I'd like a new rating "Hard R"

Yes, I know there was NC-17, it failed and became the "X" rating a few paid for while X is free.

But "Hard R" would be adult viewing with NO restraints since expectations of extreme content and not to be sold to children.  The difference (and rating) between it and porn would be a developed plot.  Take for example a lot of Roger Corman's 70s Grindhouse films (Women in Cages, Big Doll house) or B-sci-fi like "Galaxy of Terror" - whcih he had to cut out or limit a LOT of content just to avoid an X rating.

As "Caligula" the best (worst) example - a film that has a long detailed plot but no holds (or HOLES) barred becomes a very expensive liability, a strictly limited market to "Adult only" distribution and placed next to simple films that cost a few thousand to make.  The customers are limited in the former - the latter "What the F--- IS this SH---!?  Just when I think I can whack that freak cuts someone's guts out - and my buddy who's into that says not enough... now they are talking again..."  It shoudl have been a controversial hit that made up it's cost a few times over quickly but got super limited in distribution because it debuted when the "Porn Chic" was ending.  Not the only reason but...

BTW - the "Gonzo" or modern stuff - pioneered by I.N.S.E.X. and such - is simply porn for its own sake.  Most "Porn" had some level of plot because they had to have "Literary, social or artistic value" or could be outlawed despite 1st amendmant.  That's why the shallow pretense in even the post Porn Chic era 80s stuff, all the "Hot MILFs and Pizza boys" (over 18, proof on file) junk.  Also why "I only read it for the ARTICLES..." most major Men's magazines published fiction and radical journalism... Some actually did this pretty good.  I raved upthread about Larry Flynt going to jail to protect his source over the DeLorean thing and how though he was never thanked for it he helped solidify a journalist's right to protect his source so it's rarely challenged.

Originally Posted by: Blir

Does porn need a story?

Compare the # of views and likes on this site between (1) images that have no background and are simply images of a couple or a pin-up with (2) images where the render includes a background that conveys a situation/story.  In my opinion, people want context (a story for lack of a better word) for their porn.

Well when I think "Story". Im not thinking just scenario, set design, and costumes. Although, I feel most porn of olden had easier access to that as well though without prop houses locking down their property to the extent they do today. Ive seen lots of solid works outside the contest gallery realm on this site that have been outvoted for nudier or gooier images right next them plenty of times. 

Originally Posted by: Ebonix115

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This is different with say 3D stuff or Hentai. I know that it's fake, and because of this, they can throw almost any scenario at me with a variety of twist and it's going to be nice to watch. Because everyone's style of art and build up is different. And, with most hentai ( can't speak for 3D as much) there is 90% a story of some sort involved. I don't know if it's just cause Asians find it more important to have a story to understand while they're jacking off or what. But I can say for a fact that I have found hentai that I watched at first cause, it's hentai. Then, about 2 or 3 episodes in, I'm actually watching it for the plot. 

Spoiler alert - the one I'm talking about had a suicide, multiple murders, organized crimes and mystery. Felt more like a regular TV show with excessive sex after a while. 

I definitely think it's based on preference and that perhaps companies should start considering that when it comes to who's going to watch it vs who's going to buy it. Cause anyone can take some porn and slap it on a free porn site and everyone will watch it. You might get a couple of royalties or something from the site after they get their cut. But what you really want are the people who are willing to pay for it, the people who want the quality stuff. I'm one of those people who wants the quality stuff, I will pay for porn in half a second. 

So without knowing the quality of the animation, how much effort goes into the plot animations vs the sex animations, the ratio of frames, or if one side carries the other. If you edited episodes and spliced out the sex from the plot. Could the plot stand on its own?

If you then put the plot copies, the original mix, and the sex scene compilation copies in three boxes side by side at a store for the same price per frames (The mix being 2x as much as the copies, or the copies being half the original). Which box would go empty first? And how many of those boxes could you sell before the other boxes went empty? 

Side Note: It makes me wonder if there's a flip side bizarro duplicity to the 2 industries. Is there a female Harvey Weinstein in porn who trades normal real life favors behind the scenes for jobs having sex in porn movies?