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I feel that way about all the Step-Fantasy stuff. I mean when almost every video on the featured or most watched on PH is some combination of Step Sex it gets old quickly. I know it one of the ways they can try to get Tabooish without getting into incest as a theme, but it still seems overdone. I mean it is hard finding good MILF type scenes, or cougar giving it to the pizza guy scenes because almost everything now is dude fucking Step Sister, or Step Mom, or Step Aunt etc etc. or if the female is the main draw she is being fucked by Step Dad, Step Brother, Step Mom, or Step Aunt. 

And davo agree with the whole ahegao thing being overdone. I mean its origin is in Hentai where faces and expressions can be way more exaggerated and stylized, but seeing real ladies trying to pull it off just makes them look derpy.

Porn kinda peaked 00s, then slid downhill steadily  05 onwards...

I used to regularly get Penthouse, Hustler - but then noticed the ladies looked like the skanky bitches that worked at Hastings (RIP Hastings...) and would pretend they couldn't scan the bar code and shout it loud over head in one of the ungodly long lines, due to their substandard cashier skills.  The latter not because they were women but too strong an employee culture so they'd keep a dozen people waiting with a close personal conversation then slowly work the line.  IMO one of the porn recruiters probably could have got the skinny, not pretty "Feminist" tattoo parlor/piercing factory to pose Hustler style even if she then went to write papers at college for "Advanced Feminist Protesting" the next day

There used to be big $ in porn - but both the internet and porn killed porn.  At least the "Golden Age" which some say is 70s to 80s, others (me) 80s to 90s.

The film "Caligula" is the best divide in this era.

For a while porn had a plot - they were exploring adult movies with full sex, violent, no limits since 99% of modern movie "Coding" was "Think of the Children".  So once it was ironed out to keep the kids OUT of porn, well why not "All Adult" things, then?  Before it was pure "Obscenity" to protect ALL people from it in a twisted, hypocritical way.  The "Notorious Bettie Page" movie had her flashing her pussy to the Photographer and him going "I don't want to be jailed and get a criminal status for just having the negative..." - heh then after that Blue Law era...

But mainly for "Social, Political or literary value" the porn films had plots.  Gradually this got replaced by pure "Bang for Buck" porn.  Also as the 60s, 70s rolled onwards Porn got 'dirty' again.  The ratings board tightened the R rating and X (or rather no rating, don't need to pay for it even) became a huge cliff where 95% of the market would be blocked.  Hence the ruin of the Caligula project because it got shunned from almost as many theaters as Lolita and put next do "Hot MILFs and Pizza Boys" - films that cost a few thousand dollars to make.

The magazines peaked as the movies slid into more glossy porn and less plots.

Big money meant able to pay very young, healthy athletic people to maintain top quality bodies a LOT of money.  Until viagra the guys were pretty limited but lasted longer and the ladies tended to be short term.

So for erotic movies, save high quality (and surgical bride of Frankenstein women - which I loved!) meat the plot went downhill and stayed there.  The internet turned it into pure sex scenes with less and less pretense.

Magazines really peaked and tried to resurrect the industry.  I see this as the mechanics of Bob Guccione wanting to work for or take over the Playboy empire but finding a slowly aging, now less daring Hugh Hefner so starting his own thing.  Then that distinguished Southern  Gentleman, Larry Flynt came in and did to Bob what he'd done to Hugh; Up the Ante.  The dynamics of all three helped keep magazine quality high, controversy and attention high and money brought in top $ so easy to atract AAA meat.

I think Penthouse had the best Meat - the women.  Playboy if you go 80s had the best but late 80s to 90s clearly Penthouse.  Hugh seemed to get the SAME body type, those girls mostly failed/older 'high fashion' models - so too thin, blonde.  Nowadays they say  Fox News is staffed by "The Stepford Blondes".  Even the "Diversity" token women seem to have the SAME body.  It's like if I used the same model, height, morph but changed hair color and skin tone...  Penthouse had the best diversity from sex kittens to huge fleshy milfs, mostly preferring the hottest Euro Trash and "Exotic Dancers" in their prime.  Hustler got real good too, but paid less - however Suze Randall went to Larry from Bob.  I think there was a falling out. So Huslter had TOP quality photography by a genius level photographer who gave Bob Guccione a run for his money. 

Bob Guccione, btw, was a "Photography Nerd" - super Sigma Male, rich boy (some said "Good Boy" or "Made..." not going there) but his one flaw/humanity was he was a nerd for advanced photography, spending a fortune on the latest equipment not just sex slave pets and luxuries...  He declined and died before Digital got good but he'd have ruled the Photography club at school and probably got a spiky haired kid to SELL the pic of his Dad with a Princess dancer at a Stag party... (get the ref?)  There was a neat joke published in his magazine - Penthouse 70s Bob Guccione:  He's next to a hippie lady partly wearing Native American style garb but tastefully posed - he's stretching a nylon over the camera - "See, Baby?  When I stretch one of your old stockings over the lens it creates a Soft Focus effect..." - then Bob Guccione 90s:  Stark, raw photoshoot.  Jacked up with silicone string model dryly stretching her legs and V open, blatant scars from surgery under her boobs - Bob is stretching a CONDOM over his camera - "You CAN'T be too SAFE these days...."

Larry Flynt, RIP, he should be remembered as a champion of free speech.  NO he was not a saint, he was just defending his business - the magazine the slang for the guy that tries to get people into the Strip Club or Porno theater...  Short of Mad Magazine (Fair use, parody) his Free Speech work defending himself extended to all journalists.  The DeLorean case;  The person with the hidden camera footage had gone to ABC, CBS, NBC (no Fox at the time) then the major magazines - ALL turned him down.  Flynt paid for the photos then paid thousands in daily fines while being jailed a long time - all because the FBI wanted to know WHO leaked their frame-up of a desperate DeLorean...  That standoff and the precedent it set off made LEOs think ten times before trying to extort a source and due to competition the agencies that employed them and their insurers willing to protect legally and financially if it happened.  I also (my opinion) think he helped defend music, video games, comic books and RPGs.  During this time (70s to 90s) the TTRPG industry (Dungeons and Dragons) formed, Comic books went from remnants of the Underground to a solid Direct Market and Independant creator, Video games became a thing - ALL had opposiiton from moralists and tabloid media looking for a fake cause because no way did they dare take on any real issues (S&L scandal, jobs shipped to China, increasing corruption)  Larry Flynt's rabid defense of his dirty mag - and the legal precedents he set - diverted any serious attention from these newer industries and kept anything like a renewed "Comics Code" that could censor a direct market - or a "Fantasy Gaming Board" that would have made D&D more politically correct than today and refused to certify any competing game, etc.

So the 90s really ruled as big $, more Liberal and economically booming times led to more sales and the 3 main companies could pay top dollar to recruit good quality meat for high quality photographs.  They also tried to resurrect the "Sin Paperback", "Comics", Movies...  Fizzled but was really good for a while.  Then as the boom died down, 9/11 caused society to get more scared, conservative, fascist it declined.  The "Broadband" certainly didn't help - but it was distribution.  I was a good boy despite perverse mind and wanted to BUY my products - but again Skanky piercing factory "I can't scan this HUSTLER!  The Barcode doesn't scan it!" yells loud and smirks because she shifted the whole magazine cover to partly conceal.  Hmm... Envious - I'd have been dismissed via defenestration any place I worked at if I'd treated a customer anything like that, even mean a-holes or "Soccer Moms" (the Karens of the 00s)  So, well nothing new good, no new good videos - I had most of the mags so going to newsgroups was really just a backup - and no way to legit buy it since they were in paranoid/defense mode.  Hustler, btw, has their whole archive if you subscribe - save a few things whited out due to legal issues later - ahem Traci...  But subscribe a month and saves an ebay sale or 3 if curious/nostalgic.

That's why I like Poser a lot and will eventually move perhaps to Blender.. (Maybe use DAZ next computer)  I can create all sorts of scenes as good as the models in 90s Penthouse/Huslter - or 70s Grindhouse Movies, 80s B-movies - no need for paying models, dealing with "Proof of age on file..." the high cost of sets and exotic stuff then the crippled niche for distribution to try to sell it.

Going forward I'd LOVE to make a low end porn movie - say on my "Slave Girls from Beyond the Galaxy" comic - Japanese Rubber Live Action tentacle technology combined with CGI backgrounds and some decent porn stars who can kinda act.  But right now well like "Caligula" - cut from most distribution and where it is distributed it competes with low end high sex movies.  So it'd be ruinous to me and investors.  If computer tech keeps progressing I could make a movie as good as willing to blow $10 million or more now (CGI saving $20 million for location shooting, advanced background sets, space scenes) in another decade or so on a hyped up personal computer.  If I win the "Tax on Stupidity" (lottery) which I sporadicially play and win a BIG one mmmaybe (after putting most in trust) but not likely to understate.

----Oh, and I apologize to Club, Score, LiveGirls, HighSociety..NEWLOOK, OMNI..PenthouseComix, HuslterComix...already typed way too long...  I have nice samplings from collections and ebay a nice sampling of these I like for the graphic design and artifacts of the times - akin to Warren Magazines which if you get scanned they skipped over the letters, ads, etc. but a dog eared reader's copy of a Vampirella, Eerie, 1994 mag is a window to the past.

Edited by user Friday, January 28, 2022 10:47:21 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Topic Following!

Originally Posted by: Masterstroke

If you want to make a good porn movie, you'll have to make your audience falling in love with your protagonists first.

Well put.  Good porn requires some level of engagement with the protagonists, drama, and a sense of taboo, forbidden activities.  An image or video must tell a story that elicits some emotional reaction in the viewer.  An anatomy lesson -- still pictures or moving -- is just boring.  Porn has deteriorated because its far less costly to produce images and videos than to produce a dramatic, engaging story.

It's often said that "A picture is worth a thousand words."  When I look at an image or a video and it generates no words, story or thoughts ... well, that's the state of today's porn, isn't it?

Originally Posted by: Masterstroke

Once, when gonzo became to be a thing, I liked it. No more bad acting, just saying "hey we're shooting a porn scene here"

Yep, I can get behind that, I don't really like porn for storyline, I just like straight to the seks.  Any video I see, I'll just scroll bar it to the action.  It's just the quality of the "action" seems to be over taken these days by sillyness.  As mentioned before, the type of girls these days are also on decline. I don't like tattoos, duck lips, fake tits and for Pete's sake please have some decently done hair.  A lot of porn stars have a cookie cutter design these days too.

I loved the videos that Harmony Vision put out back in the day, that was some cutting edge right there and the girls were regal, elegant.  It's pretty old, but one of the series I liked was the stuff by Salieri and also the stuff that Private used to put out back in the days of VHS.

I remember good old times, hunting for porn. Feeling the excitement and the heart beating. Kids today have it way to easy.
sometimes I think, porn should be strictly forbidden. Not because I'm prudish, or I think Porn is wrong, but only to bring back some nerve tickling.

Originally Posted by: BrotherHades

Originally Posted by: Ebonix115

3. The women sound and act terrible - It's no secret that most women don't go running to men out in the middle of the night or in the middle of the club begging to be smashed the way the videos depict them. They don't scream at the top of their lungs at first penetration and think it's the best thing in the world. For crying out loud, there are even studies that show that most women do not orgasm from vaginal sex! (based on who's study you're reading, it's still under hot debate) They get so absurdly loud with some of the fakest moans that I've ever heard. It's just such a turn off. I'd rather her be silent and make noise when she's actually feeling something, not just when the directors tell her to. I can't argue the same point for men, as I actually thoroughly enjoy the sounds men make during the dirty. 

There is one recentish porn actress, that her moans (if you can call it that) are an instant turn off for me. I can watch her stuff with sound off, but if I hear her then pretty much any arousal that was built up is gone. The only sound I can think of to describe her sounds is it is the sound that a Deer being beaten to death might make. Or maybe it is the sound that Fran Fine would make during sex, I don't know, all I do know is worse than a pornstar overselling it, her sounds are a big turn-off for me.

ugh... please, the russian/east european women are all the same broken record: (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO (suck in some air) OOOOOO
and they stare straight into the camera the whole time, their eyebrows a strait line all the way across.  Russian guys are the same, but at least they aren't faking it.

Originally Posted by: ZenMaster3D

So maybe I'm already a lost cause? 🤔

I think not! Still good in my book!

I also enjoy "Embrace of the Vampire"! The story, though kinda generic, is a fun romp, and Alyssa Milano is ungodly attractive. Hentai movies can be enjoyable simply because they're overboard and ridiculous.

I do agree with Davo about a lot of eastern european porn actors. I feel like most of them are not fully ok with it, or are desperate for money. I also kinda agree with Masterstroke and Ebonix115 - porn is to easy to find for free and can be overwhelming and too deep too fast (pardon the pun). I vividly remember as a teenager listening to the dial-up connect to the internet so I could spent 10 minutes just loading Britney Spears's Rolling Stone cover, and having to delete 5 jpegs on a 3.5 floppy disk to save it. Or try to find a zipdisk so I could hoard (gasp!) 100 images. Not to sound like an old man yelling at clouds, but somethings were better about that. I currently have about 20 gigs of porn pictures on my computer. Most of which I seldom look at. When you could only have 100 total you had to curate your stash. You distilled down to what you really liked, what really turned you on. Plus you were less likely to click on random pictures - that cost time and bandwidth. And goddess forbid someone call the home phone while that happened.

I truly enjoy plots to go with my porn. The frequent lack thereof is one of the reasons I started making it myself. I used to take pictures I liked and write a story from them, but it felt off and I felt like I couldn't morally share them. Then I found this site. I don't always write stories, sometimes I only write a sentence or two, sometimes nothing if I think the work speaks well enough to make your own story or I run out of creative energy. But I always try. I think most people on here truly care and honestly try. That's why I keep on keeping on here.

tldr; Modern porn can totally suck for various reasons. You all are awesome though!

Rambling on....

I disagree with the "It's gotta have story, and characters" talk.

I think theatrical film and prawnography are 2 different mediums that are better separate.
I dont need an classically trained actress to do long drawnout gratuitous sex scenes in films. And I dont need a pornstar to remember lines and complex scene direction.
I appreciate if both can express emotion in a real way but lets not kid ourselves both are works fiction. So in that aspect, sometimes less is more, towards a truthful reality or realer fiction.

I don't want film actresses distracted by their nude/sex scenes, or pornstar actresses distracted by their acting skill etc.
I wouldn't want either to act so well on a single character to be type cast into it either. Which you COULD think of a pornstar as a character and the story spans across the length of their career.
You know it happens though. (Who did you just see???) The scenes could lay beyond time and space with the... "right motivations".

Lets get a writer to right the story, a storyboard artist, high end cameras, top tier videographer, best audio as well, actors, costumes, makeups, best effects department, elite editors, a director to tie it all together. This thing will cost millions. Gonna take more than farting in jars to make this movie.

Wow this thing sounds epic. What's it about?
Well... person meets person, they have sex, one or more of them cums, maybe one says bye to the audience, roll credits.

After release:
Stats showed our audience was majority male. They skipped past the story, and those that made it to the end without clicking off on to something else turned it off before the post credit scene. Even before the credits.

Every VHS from the 80's, the tape is worn out over the sex scenes but the story clear as day. Hmmmm. Burn holes in DVD discs over certain scene selections. View stats on internet porn. High Def ohhhhh the storage space.

Porn with plot is like trying to make love to a hooker. Weird. You dont need the full life story and some deep emotional connection with a one night stand too do you?
A porn flick shouldn't act like a long term lover because it shouldn't be a long term lover. Perhaps thats hypocritical or contrary to popular belief.

If porn was music, its drum and bass to me. I dont want dick limpening melody or philosophical mind distracting vocals. My brain will float off into some OTHER meaningless side quest and I wont cum by the time its over.
Heart Thumping, Blood Pumping, Rhythm .... FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK, WAIT.... fffffffffffffffffffffffffffFFFFFFF, FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK, YES... KUHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMM!!!

Get in, get off, get out, get on with your life.

::Song: Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime::

Edited by user Monday, January 31, 2022 12:40:39 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified