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I doubt they'd FOSS it, but it could solve their Dev costs to an extent. Of course, they don't pay for development of models like Daz... The cost structure will be way different, but I think that shows in the qualities of Genesis 8. People might not love the dial spins like Penny or Eva, but they consistently put out a good quality product that sells. I just wonder what the business side of the Poser thing looks like. How upside down is the business that Rendo took over? We all want to know the future. Originally Posted by: FoggyAsFuck  Cool avatar cheesymaid - She derailed my train of thought from the thread
Ha, thanks. Windows update willing, there should be a new test render of her on my computer when I get home after work. Then I'll play with Kanade a bit.
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Originally Posted by: cheesymaid I doubt they'd FOSS it
As a matter of fact, I brought up the idea in the main Poser forum on Renderosity. I kind of expected them not to be too keen on the idea of giving up revenue generated by selling licenses, but I didn't expect the community to not take too kindly to the idea, either. Definitely not the reaction I was expecting...
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Originally Posted by: shadoman
To say that daz would throw a party if Poser went away would be an understatement..
Thn they would introduce a new version of the Genesis base figures that would not be compatable with anything you already have..
Frankly My poser spending has dropped to almost Nil,, I will buy DAVO's new Morgue set and Rosity has a very cute Asian base figure that I plan to buy ans she will work great in some future Transgender story I'm planning
Other than that I'll still use Pro 2014 for now and at 69 I have no intentions of getting involved in another system
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I think you have an obvious disdain for Daz that is mostly engendered by their upgrade/improvement model. Now, that the improvements are subjective at times I'll grant you, but the current state of Studio far outstrips Poser in virtually every way (there might be some small areas where that isn't true, yet.). A lot of people are put off by the percieved need to upgrade/replace their computers/phones/whatever every so often to maintain a certain level of useability. Depending upon your needs and finances that may or may not always be necessary or possible. But it is the way of things these days.
Saying that Daz would throw a party and dispose of the compatibility that is what makes the platform so useful/desireable sounds like sour grapes to me. Especially after your tales of SM dropping all the software you've seemingly chosen to use.
Me, I'm only nine years your junior and I switch stuff all the time. Of course I've also been building my own PCs since the 386 (and had computers before that), so change is nothing new to me. I'm planning my next CPU right now after doubling my RAM in my primary rig to 64GB. If you plan these things out incremental change is pretty simple and lengthens the lifespan of your machines.
I tried Poser years ago and never could like it. But Studio was more intuitive, as much as I've ever mastered it anyway. And La Femme is just the latest in a string of figures touted to "save" Poser from being irrelevant or stuck with V4. And most likely doomed to fail just like her predecessors. I don't have a horse in that race, that's just the way I see it.
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When I started (towards the end of Genesis 2, beginning the transition to Genesis 3), there was some question about Poser... was it more interesting to me as a product?
Daz models pretty much sold me that direction instead. Giselle 6, I think, was the one that did it at the time.
Genesis was the right call. The various base shapes - Aiko4, Victoria4, etc, all unified under one system? It was the right way to move forward as a hobby. Make things easier on the vendors, and keep making it fresh (and marketable!) with progressive generations.
Maybe the "dial spin" figures are selling incremental novelty, but at least it's incremental movement in the models. They have an economic reason to keep it fresh, and that was the right thing to do. They don't need me to buy Penny 8, Kanade 8, Sakura 8, the Girl 8... but I'm glad they make them, and I happily support that as a customer.
Heck, Kanade 8. Compare her to La Femme, which was released a while ago. If you walked right into the hobby today, and compared the two, where would your money go? Kanade 8 or La Femme?
There's just so much for Rendo to overcome.
I've never felt cheated by the Genesis 2/3/8 change-overs, anyway. It might annoy some customers, but it doesn't do that for me. The high degree of compatibility between Genesis 3 & 8 was a positive. Between the improved Autofit in Genesis 8 and the start of dForce, Daz delivered plenty that made the Genesis 3-8 transition pretty smooth for me.
Plus, the PBR works. dForce is getting there, and closing the capabilities gap with Poser (when it works), this new strand hair thing that I haven't tried yet.
There's just a big mountain for Rendo to climb with Poser. Good luck to them. Poser is so far off the radar, but maybe it can be made more attractive to new entrants to the hobby in the future.
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Poser has been dead since a while now. It has not been competition since years ago, whatever happens to it is not going to be celebrated or mourned by DAZ or make any impact or change in products or policies (especially just for the sake of being evil, dear lord), it's just not relevant at all.
La Femme is not even a thing. Sorry. Neither Dawn or all the other basic 3rd party figures that promised to be a revolution during the last decade. People want Genesis, look at all the stores out there, that´s why Poser died anyway. Whatever Poser figure Renderosity comes up with obviously will be pushed in their newsletters and front page, but that doesn't mean they are worth of it.
IF Renderosity is investing in Poser development, it will have to go into Genesis compatibility, anything else would be suicidal. I doubt they are willing to repeat the same mistake that SM did. Genesis support would be interesting, but I wonder if they have the resources and the will to risk it, because, it is a little too late now.
My bet is SM just wanted to get rid of it and Renderosity bought it dirty cheap just to keep it floating for their old catalog and eventual 3rd party figures down the road, but won´t burn money in trying to put it on the map again. I can see it as another Bryce. We'll see.
One thing is for sure, Poser is in better and more capable hands now.
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Originally Posted by: ProtocolZero
Originally Posted by: cheesymaid I doubt they'd FOSS it
As a matter of fact, I brought up the idea in the main Poser forum on Renderosity. I kind of expected them not to be too keen on the idea of giving up revenue generated by selling licenses, but I didn't expect the community to not take too kindly to the idea, either. Definitely not the reaction I was expecting...
That's the reaction I was expecting. You're lucky you didn't get a ban for even suggesting something outside what they normally do. Interesting enough, many of those people that attacked you were part of almost all of the poser figure failures of the last few years. As long as they loudly shout down anything they don't like, Poser isn't going to move forward. Basically your job as a Poser user is to not complain and just give them money.
Meanwhile other companies have actually innovated and stole their business.. hence SM selling off Poser.
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Originally Posted by: Hellboy
Poser has been dead since a while now. It has not been competition since years ago, whatever happens to it is not going to be celebrated or mourned by DAZ or make any impact or change in products or policies (especially just for the sake of being evil, dear lord), it's just not relevant at all.
La Femme is not even a thing. Sorry. Neither Dawn or all the other basic 3rd party figures that promised to be a revolution during the last decade. People want Genesis, look at all the stores out there, that´s why Poser died anyway. Whatever Poser figure Renderosity comes up with obviously will be pushed in their newsletters and front page, but that doesn't mean they are worth of it.
IF Renderosity is investing in Poser development, it will have to go into Genesis compatibility, anything else would be suicidal. I doubt they are willing to repeat the same mistake that SM did. Genesis support would be interesting, but I wonder if they have the resources and the will to risk it, because, it is a little too late now.
My bet is SM just wanted to get rid of it and Renderosity bought it dirty cheap just to keep it floating for their old catalog and eventual 3rd party figures down the road, but won´t burn money in trying to put it on the map again. I can see it as another Bryce. We'll see.
One thing is for sure, Poser is in better and more capable hands now.
This... I've been using Daz since 2011, I've never once thought of using Poser, I think for most people who started after Daz went free, Poser has never been a thing we considered. It's just been this legacy thing where we have to convert the old items over to Daz 
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Bondware CEO Tim Choate has the following to say about Renderosity's long-term goals for Poser (Bondware owns Renderosity):
Like any software company worth their salt, we want to delight customers by delivering commonly requested features where viable. We also want to drive adoption of the latest version of Poser with good communications and aggressive pricing. We want to align the product features with the Renderosity marketplace so that they support each other.
If that is a mission statement, it's the vaguest one I've ever read. Every software firm on earth could announce the same goals. I want to believe that Renderosity has more carefully thought-out plans for Poser, but the above is hardly promising. Wait and see, wait and see, hurry up, get going, but above all, wait and see.
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could not agree more with the last statement . You would think everyone is making plans for Poser's Funeral when we all do not have a clue as to what plans Renderosity has for Poser but I am sure they thought things out prior to the purchase and takeover of the product.
They have announced an upcoming service release of the entire product and let everyone know when that will be posted for download. I would think that there will be some links to a help page and direct links to the store much like Content Paradise was to Poser..
There is no doubt that DAZ has a awesome product in DAZ studio and for those who use the software and are happy with it all the best but ot seems like everyone is kicking a good man when he's down on the ground ... Give Renderosity some time to bring the product up to speed and see where we go from there.
Only time will tell Who knows what lurks in the hearts of perverted artist....
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Since I have been doing this type of artwork, the poser users have been needlessly aggressive and negative towards DAZ.
For a while there were weekly 'BASH DAZ' threads, or it sure seemed like it.
Heck there's even a person who is in this thread who regularly used to brag about how he's a moderator for this site and then he'd talk about how wonderful he thinks he is then five minutes later join in on a discussion bashing DAZ (he probably still does, not sure I have hidden anything he writes now). This was from an actual moderator for this site, he had no problems doing these things over and over again and this was at a time when Ehjay posted that DAZ products accounted for about half the sales on this site. So ethical issues aside from this person doing this, from a business perspective it was amateur and nonsensical. And this creates a perception that there are many main contributors to this site that are antagonistic towards DAZ users, I feel this way. I feel there are many Poser users here who are outright antagonistic towards me and other DAZ users.
So when I see a thread like this where poser users are basically looking for sympathy, all I can say is, 'You won't get any from me!'
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Originally Posted by: sumigo Since I have been doing this type of artwork, the poser users have been needlessly aggressive and negative towards DAZ. . . .For a while there were weekly 'BASH DAZ' threads, or it sure seemed like it.
Sumigo, I do not understand how you can interpret comments and speculation (optimistic or otherwise) on Poser's future at Renderosity as a "BASH DAZ" thread. Some have even underlined that Genesis technology outdistances Poser character meshes by a country mile and called that the "hurdle" Renderosity must overcome. Is that really bashing DAZ?Edited by user Monday, July 22, 2019 10:51:48 AM(UTC)
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Unfortunately since some members have decided to troll other members and this is about to degenerate into incivility, I'm closing this thread.
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