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I completely disagree!

"The same as Poser, Daz or any other rendering program."

Nope. While 3D artists spend time and money (to buy clothes etc.) to try to realize their ideas with the available possibilities and skills, most AI users type a prompt and that's it!

It's like tiptiptip on the keyboard and a short time later "Hey mom, look - i'm an artist now - I created a porn picture!". (OK, you should live in a trailer park near Detroit to show your mom such junk ;-)

"Or maybe the discussion has a easy solution: ban in RENDER-otica everything that isn't a RENDER. Kill photographs. Kill 2D. Kill writting and poetry.Kill AI. Welcome again, Middle Age of Art."

Puuhhh - does this come in a smaller size? Exaggerations have never been helpful in discussions ... but well - some are just not born to discuss.

"This controversy doesn't make sense HERE"

Here - exactly in this thread - it even makes incredible sense! Here - in a 3D Art Gallery - this discussion makes even more sense!

What are these flesh-colored things in the background?

SD is not perfect now, it is very inflexible, the photo it generates is just a delicate flat content, of course the picture is really exquisite, even with controlnet, it cannot be customized precisely.

3D rendering is more like playing with sculptures, which can be viewed, played and customized in all directions in 360 degrees, providing users with a higher sense of satisfaction.

Of course, it can be believed that future 3D rendering software will integrate AI secondary creation functions, which can enrich and expand 3D content.

Why.

Let the people, the viewer to decide what's art and what's nice and erotic to watch. After all, I always thought that's what we were here (at Renderotica) for: to create erotic pics, the kind of stuff that you couldn't display on *deleted* no matter what tool you use to generate it. Has been banned any work here for not being a render? Cause it's a photograph? Cause it's a 2D handmade drawing?
 
It would be funny if it wasn't pathetic. I mean, I've been in Renderotica since July 2004; I've been a Premier Artist since the good ol' days when founder Diane Griffith hand-picked who deserved to get into the top league, I've been a monthly contributor to the deceased Renderotica Magazine and a moderator of the dissapeared Forum in Spanish. I've used Poser from version 3.1 onwards, Bryce, Daz Studio, and even some steps with Blender. I have been a product tester for the Renderotica store. Anyway, more things I don't even remember. And now two "smart" members (that haven't together 60 pics in their galleries), in a category that I haven't created but I'm merely testing (I installed my NMKD SD GUI last week), they think that need to tell me WHAT to post and HOW to post it. If I had his attitude, I would be going into countless five-render sequences with the classic NVIATWAS and a random set of poses to shout with fundamentalist pride: "this is not art, this is not erotic, I decide in my Infinite Wisdom what have **time-work-heart-and-soul** to be proper".

I remember 18 years ago when I joined one of those websites that sell themselves as "art communities" and really are home of 3DMax, Autocad, Maya, Lightwave users. When I showed my Poser-generated pics, a mockery and arrogance erupted as if a sinner had crossed the door of the Sacrosanct Temple of the True And Only 3D Art. That wasn't "Art", that was Poser... get out of our cult, scum. The same fundamentalism that I found then seems to arrived here with AI. You upload 5 pics done with DS with minimal differences between them and oh hallelujah come with us brother in art. You do the same with AI and vade retro Satan.

AI is here to stay. And you will see thousands, millions of good and bad pics, just like now there are millions of good and bad pics with Poser, DS and whatever. Let your likes decide what is good or bad instead the tool used to create them.-

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" I consider AI images to be a step down from 3D renders. "

Very exactly.

3D---->2D---->1D---->Disappeared

Lol

Edited by user Monday, April 3, 2023 5:11:52 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Having a blast myself. I see our 2 threads warranted a whole new section to be quarantined from the rest of the herd. I really don't understand the push against ai. It seems weird to see people putting it down because it is not perfect. Do people think there are 3d models and images living inside a that just appear as if they were stored? Not sure ppl understand how amazing this all is. Just because there isn't a barrier of purchase doesn't lower it's artistic value. Only a person can do that.

 

So if everyone uses software called AI to generate images from text descriptions, there will be no need for Artists. No need for expertise such as creating a model of a car, or clothes, or a human or alien figure, not even an environment. And when that takes hold, how long will sites like this, which exist because people spend money on such things to make their own created art, continue to operate? Who will pay the bill to provide you with a place to post your "work"?

The answer is no one will, and places like this would disappear. And no one would ever look at the "AI Art" you might create, because why would they - it can be generated on their own computer in little time and with no real effort or creativity.

So the debate about about "what is art" might be interesting to some (is a photograph of a sunset art?), and a point of required discussion for anyone that suffered through Philosophy 101 as an undergraduate, the economics of wide-spread adoption would certainly kill off the few precious places like this site.

Personally, I would be very sad if that possibility comes to pass.

Peace be with you.

 

there is no copyright infringement. You cannot copyright style. This is already done in the courts. Know your rights. Use models with no license restriction. Like always, follow the law and licenses. Do your own research. Don't listen to other people's fear mongering. Take 15 minutes to read the law yourself.

Happy Easter!

Edited by user Sunday, April 9, 2023 3:54:02 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Simple: it's the most overrated and overhyped thing ever.It's also a very interesting sales model.

How would you define "intelligence"?  I mean, technically speaking: noticing when to apply "shader A" and then in other areas "shader B" could be considered "intelligent": the AI made their own choices.

Problem is... as soon as it gets tricky the whole thing falls apart again. I give you a hot girl (trying to stay ontopic within my own sexual preferences ;)). A naked hot girl standing in front of a dark black/brown background which has a golden imprint. The imprint is an obviously repeating pattern.

SO... what do you think is going to happen if you'd ask an AI to remove the girl out of the imagine?

I'll tell you: then it can't cope. AI is so intelligent that it can't even recognize a repeating pattern and account for that accordingly.

AI is seriously overrated. The moment you poke it it'll fall apart.

I tried ChatGPT myself too. I asked it a question, it responded. I continued by asking a critical question. Got a response too. "Ok, new subject: what do you think of ....". I get an answer. "What was my first question about "new subject" again?".

Lo and behold: it repeats the very first question I asked.

Another thing: try asking the same question twice. No nuances, no changes, no nothing.

That's far from AI, it's just an automated response.

 

For the record... audionuts went here before. Of course then people didn't call it "AI" (no sales models yet) but called it for what it was: automated. Several companies released seriously impressive instruments that could generate beats and rifs on their own. Yah, within the audio industry the whole "is the computer going to take over?" discussions already went down 4 or 5 years ago

Guess what?  It hasn't ;)