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DimitarCCenev  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, June 4, 2019 4:12:04 PM(UTC)
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Well folks i want to apologize if i put here inappropriate images (according to the rules).


My intentions were to bring a bit more reality to digital content community. Unfortunately it seems this is something that is way too subjective.


By the way how individuals judge what is appropriate or not.


I can clearly see in the store that there is 10ths of contents that could be considered as inappropriate but they are not. And other are considered inappropriate but should be not.


In my opinion there is  double standard for this. Or by someone subjective judgment.


 


Whatever ruler are the rules and we should obey to the ones that care for them. Its just too bad that there is not possibility the content to be a bit more realistic.


I think should be considered to use written declaration that the content are legal. In that way the guilt goes to the one who posted the content if it is illegal. For me it is wrong someone to judge by some really subjective criteria.


Anyway i wish luck to all digital content creators not matter is the content is erotic or ordinary one.


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#2 Posted : Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:47:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DimitarCCenev Go to Quoted Post


Well folks i want to apologize if i put here inappropriate images (according to the rules).


My intentions were to bring a bit more reality to digital content community. Unfortunately it seems this is something that is way too subjective.


By the way how individuals judge what is appropriate or not.


I can clearly see in the store that there is 10ths of contents that could be considered as inappropriate but they are not. And other are considered inappropriate but should be not.


In my opinion there is  double standard for this. Or by someone subjective judgment.


 


Whatever ruler are the rules and we should obey to the ones that care for them. Its just too bad that there is not possibility the content to be a bit more realistic.


I think should be considered to use written declaration that the content are legal. In that way the guilt goes to the one who posted the content if it is illegal. For me it is wrong someone to judge by some really subjective criteria.


Anyway i wish luck to all digital content creators not matter is the content is erotic or ordinary one.



Well, the reason that everyone was so quick to point out the apparent youth of your character is a simple one: Renderotica is hosted in Canada, and Canadian law is very clear on depictions of underage nudity, even drawings or CGI: DON'T. I believe American law is different on this subject when it comes to non-photographic depictions, such as paintings, drawings, or renders, if someone knows better, please correct me. In any case, if 'Rotica allows images of that nature to stay up, they could quickly run into trouble with the law, up to and including shutting down the site, which in my opinion would be a terrible blow to the 3D community.


I'm not saying that you intended to depict an underage individual. I get what you were trying to do, seriously. But, when it comes to that highly subjective gray area, at this site at least we should all err on the side of caution. If someone might think your character looks underage, others likely will, too. If that is the case, it's best not to post it. I know that CGI characters don't have an age, only an appearance of one, but in Canada at least, it's that appearance that can trip us all up.


It looks like you've been a member here for at least 4 years. I hope you stick around. My profile shows that I've been here since 2012, it's actually been far longer, since 2000. This is the only 3D forum I'm active on, because the good people here are accepting and helpful, and nonjudgmental of kinks and fetishes. I can't say the same for the other two big boards...


DimitarCCenev  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 12:57:39 AM(UTC)
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Well that makes sense. Thanks for explanation. I think that explanation should be given at first place and put on obvious location in the forum so everybody to know.
Just statement that is not allowed but without mentioning the real reason is not in use for the potential members in my opinion.

Yes i will defenately stick around but unfortunately i will not support the community with any 3D contents which were my original intention.
In my opinion there is no point of posting content that looks like aliens or not real one just to fit the requirements.

I understand the laws and i know they cant be changed but in moments it sounds more or less like a discrimination to some races since they are not allowed to post content with they natural looks.

And since the looks, the age is too subjective across races and countries some questions shows up in my mind....

- Since this is multinational community (at least i think so but i cant be sure) and people outside Canada could have different understanding about that stuff how a potential artist can be sure it creation fits Canadian laws? Isn't it better to be a place where renders and 3d content can be uploaded for approval from a moderator or someone that can decide will content be allowed?

- Seems according to the laws the content here should be mainly Caucasian or African but defenately not Asian with their natural looks. Isn't this quite discriminational? Because if you change the natural looks of one race it becomes something else but not this race example.

- And since this is kind of community with erotic nature is it the best way to be hosted in Canada? There is much more liberal countries where there will be no intentional discrimination i think.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:54:02 AM(UTC)
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1) I honestly believe you, that you were not intending to present an under age girl.
2) you say it is subjective. I kind of disagree. There are certain physical characteristics, like height, body shape, proportions and development of secondary sex characteristics., that identify an adult person.


And yes, it happens to real life persons too, that they look like children, although they are adult.
It is simple by genetics or hormones.
I once had a college, like that. On her first day, she was waiting at the office, just sitting there on a chair. My first guess was, this 12 year old must be waiting for her mom. Later talking to her, it turned out, she was 24 and getting back into a job after a maternity break.

If that woman would have gone into "the industry" for faking under age movies, it still would be illegal in many countries. it still would be labeled as child porn.


If you are the only person, that sees your character as adult, everyone else thinks she looks like a child, then you're out of luck. Especially when a attorney shares the opinion of this majority.

 


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#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 2:59:15 AM(UTC)
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As far as I can remember this site was originated in Winnipeg Manitoba, Canada. By a person I might add has since gone into politics. Sold it for an undisclosed amount to someone, who has since died. As far as Canadian law reads yes, she (your creation) would be considered inappropriate, because of the perceived age. If i read my laws correctly the U.S. basically has the same rules as Canada, when it comes to what appears to be an under aged person.These two countries in particular have a common problem with pedophilia, and sex parties with under aged children. So at least in Canada for sure they have included any image of any form of males or females that appear to be under a certain age for consent. The earlier suggestion was an ok one if you can find a distributor in Japan or even the Middle east which do not hold to age restrictions for images then hey there you go.


 


And yes I also believe there was no intent on the character being under age appearance. It is from what I can gather a cultural thing for you.

I'm here for the donuts.....
Where are they??
DimitarCCenev  
#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 3:02:18 AM(UTC)
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yeah you are generally right.... but in that case how an artist can know what other people think here when it is forbidden even to post non erotic render in here?
I dont see any options for this and it appears to stay subjective. Thats why i think it will be better if there is a place and/or a person that should approve them first.
Well about the laws.... i dont know many countries rules and laws but at least as far as i know in US is needed only a declaration that the character is 18 yo or older (i mean for adult industry) That also is valid for the majority of East Asian country.
Ofcource if we talk about middle east there is strongly forbidden even for adult women but that is another case/world.


And well is not a cultural thing.... just i have visited some east asian countries and basically people there looks generally very underage. I just wanted some naturally looking example of lets say 19yo east asian female.

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#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 3:47:03 AM(UTC)
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Every single gallery has a Terms of Service (TOS) that everyone should read before they start posting. EVERY ONE.


This site's is here: https://www.renderotica.com/community/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=54365&cmsg=0&cmsn=#post54365


Literally the first bullet point covers the topic here so there should not have been a surprise or any animosity. I haven't heard of one site (especially any major ones) that will let you get away with using dhild-looking characters in erotica.. because the site would quickly get shut down. I'm sure there's something out there in the dark web, but you shouldn't be surprised if you're being watched by your respective governments if you post that type of material. People generally should have what my cousin calls a "No Jail policy" and act accordingly... don't get caught up and end up sleeping under a bridge because child pron laws earn you a child predator status and that's the only place you can live!

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DimitarCCenev  
#8 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 3:56:43 AM(UTC)
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I agree. but the ToC here doesn't allow even a non erotic renders to be posted. And is not understandable how a participant can verify that he comply with all the rules.
Other major communities/stores do have a team members that care for approval of the content and they notify the user if the content is no appropriate. I dont see such a person here.Here they simply state is not allowed but don't know how to verify and the content is immediately removed by admins and user usually get warning or ban. It is not like this in other digital 3d content sites i have already checked the 2 major ones rules.

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#9 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 4:35:53 AM(UTC)
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If this is about your new character you posted yesterday than I also feel that it was deleted unfairly. How the hell can a person put an age on a rendering that's that ambiguous.
I would suggest that you sell it somewhere else AND get the images approved BEFORE posting. If there's any question about age, just slap a bra on her. You might look
at selling on Summoner's site (*deleted*, Google it)). He is much more forgiving and will talk to you before making some rash, knee-jerk reaction. He also doesn't charge
anything when you sell on his site.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 4:39:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DimitarCCenev Go to Quoted Post


I agree. but the ToC here doesn't allow even a non erotic renders to be posted. And is not understandable how a participant can verify that he comply with all the rules.
Other major communities/stores do have a team members that care for approval of the content and they notify the user if the content is no appropriate. I dont see such a person here.Here they simply state is not allowed but don't know how to verify and the content is immediately removed by admins and user usually get warning or ban. It is not like this in other digital 3d content sites i have already checked the 2 major ones rules.



1) if this site doesn't allow non-erotic renders, then that **is** the TOS.


2) From the rest of the post I think you understand that's how this site handles inappropriate content. Obviously a person is here to handle that content because it is deleted. You're expected to understand the TOS before you post. 


If you had questions, you could always post a question of who to send an image to via EMAIL or PM to verify that image is ok to post. What isn't OK is to post then ask questions later.


DimitarCCenev  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 5:07:17 AM(UTC)
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Still it is not the way other stores do it and is my opinion is not the appropriate way.
But whatever seems administration of this site is not open to any suggestions so there is no point discussing it more.
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 6:28:08 AM(UTC)
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Why don't you just post it on Pixiv? That place doesn't seem to give a shit about anything. It's so creepy and filled with blatant CP renders I can't even look at the Daz tag anymore on that site. They would probably welcome it with open arms over there.
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 7:10:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SnarltheWerewolf Go to Quoted Post
Why don't you just post it on Pixiv? That place doesn't seem to give a shit about anything. It's so creepy and filled with blatant CP renders I can't even look at the Daz tag anymore on that site. They would probably welcome it with open arms over there.


or deviant art. Not really allowed there, but poorly moderated.


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#14 Posted : Wednesday, June 5, 2019 8:05:10 AM(UTC)
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The rules of underage images has been public and visible for at least 7 years on these forums.


This thread is now closed.


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