Renderotica

Or maybe CG Bytes for the safe for work stuff.

No way. Genesis belongs to DS. Poser needs its own Figures.

One, I think this is probably the greatest news Poser and the Poser community could have hoped for. I can't think of a better place for Poser to have landed, and Smith Micro was giving it a slow death of neglect. I've used both, and ended up with DAZ, but frankly could end up using both again, I just wasn't going to put any more money into Billy Smith's pocket. And I don't really see DAZ as competition for Poser, and frankly I don't think DAZ does either. I think they would love a rejuvenated Poser because DAZ really isn't about the program, it's about the content, and the more places that are compatible to it the happier they are.

Secondly it's not just development that was the problem with Smith Micro: The company is primarily Business-to-Business oriented, they stink at marketing to end users. Rendo doesn't have that problem, they know that side of the business, and they know how to make a buzz.

Anyway, this has been an exciting week, and I couldn't be happier for the Poser community. It's been a long road.

Not to mention the hassle of having to support those Genesis figures in a completely different program which they have little to no control over, and I doubt that Rendo will be doing that support. Daz will have support it. I would love to know what the market share between the two products looks like, but I would hazard a guess that at this point Daz has a fairly dominant share of that market. Free to try and start cannot be underestimated for getting people in the door. A $100+ software package that does not come with any content will be a high barrier to entry.

Also, Poser would need to get a whole new weight mapping support since Daz went a different way starting with G3.

It's not to say I don't think this is good news, but this feels a bit like we've taken the cancer ridden senior citizen out of the home where no one was caring for him, and putting him into a wonderful and supportive hospice :-/

Ouch

I'd still have to say part of Poser's problem though is Smith Micro hasn't bothered to even try marketing it for years now.  Outside of the forums, nobody hears about it, and even most veteran Poser users have recommended newbies who ask start with DAZ.

I'd say, to paraphrase Miricle Max, that Poser is only mostly dead, and something can be done with it aside from picking its pockets.  Which Smith already did anyway.

I think Rendo believes something can be done with it.  It might involve dead body parts, lightning, and a chap named Igor ;)

And that is a nearly insurmountable problem. A problem made worse by the fact that DAZ Studio is free. Arguably better software, Genesis technology inside, and free of charge.
Renderosity is taking on a dauntingly serious challenge. They'll need more than luck, which I wish them in abundance.
 

I think to be successful poser needs high quality products that can compete with Daz. The g8m & g8f are high quality products. While I respect the people obsessed with Michael 4 it is time to move forward with some new high quality products for poser. While I use Daz I want poser to succeed as Daz without competition is a bad idea

I'm cautiously hopeful, being a long time poser supporter.

 

 

IMO a few ways to get ahead...

 

1 - make a simple way to adapt DAZ products to Poser to jump that gap Daz has.  Again, that's how DAZ got started so fair's fair.

Hey, I still buy stuff from DAZ - love the "Maw Wurm" cuz was able to get it to work but really my Poser stuff (morphs, textures) don't work and there's no good reason why and I've got too much invested.

2 - Pi Render farm.  A Raspberry Pi is cheap and as powerful as an early 2000 era computer.  Imagine a render farm for poser (ONLY) that works on that so you can wifi or LAN a dozen ish together and put that ultra spec animation or render to go?  IMO they should get "Carbon Credits" because some people legit use 10, 20 old computers...  That's a LOT of wasted power.  On the other hand, spend a few hundred (less than a hype graphics card) and a few bucks making a neat Tron like setup of the chips, power cables, etc. and you'd have a legit "Desktop Supercomputer" for rendering.  Any render is managed by the main computer but split into tons of 'math packets' that the small computers do.  Doing one quick render might as well keep it in the main CPU - but distributed render makes stuff that keeps one computer for a month done in a day.

2A - work out ways to get it to work with Blender and perhaps Cinema 4D, Maya (but NOT DAZ) and Apophysis. (lots of cool Fractal software you can't have enough computer resources for)  You don't have to buy the "Poser Pi Juggler with Blender (or other) Pack" for $50 + $25 per pak - IF - you buy PoserPro you get it and all packs FREE.  1 License per customer, organizations either get fair bulk rate or better deals say for programming help or content creation.  That way they either make $ directly or sell more Poser and get more users that might buy figures.

3 - Poser's big fail is the high learning curve to making stuff work with it.  This needs to get smoothed.  I've heard many content creators complain, including ones Daz lured over.  UH, why ARE people paying you for your product, fellas? (and ladies, neuters, whatever)  But, I agree, they need to make a way you can almost drag and drop, quickly rig a tree without it fighting you every step of the way, make simple morphs that load the first time.  No reason in modern computing they can't.

4 - Machinima options - that's poser's second big fail.  I'd like to play with having V4 walk around in a castle/dungeon/scifi corridor - then take different camera angles, renders - but do it almost as a video game.  No, don't feel like spending $500 on iClone or whatever.  Enough layers of complexity as it is.

5 -  layered render screen to save time and memory.  Like ref "Starship Troopers" - they had a $40 million setup (for the late 90s) but had to work out ways to use computing time or they'd only now (well 2005) be finished with the film.  There should be an option that for any scene you can have near stuff full, but then turn stuff in the background into 1 sided boxes that show the figure crudely but aren't being juggled many times a second through the CPU.  Then renders are sane, but adjustable so if you did try something like such a scene (imagine Zerg Rush, Tyrannid, Bug Ambush) the stuff in the 20' nearby circle get the high spec, then farther away lower specs.  Coz in RL you'd be (well curled in a ball whimpering) but seeing the stuff nearby super sharp and farther and farther away more blurry.  As it is doing that seems to take MORE computing time...

 

And really - there's Fiver - there's tons of laid off professionals from gaming companies.  They should be able to find some expert help to re-vamp the engine.  IMO they've (previous owners) been listening to the wrong team or some broker who'll just ship it to India, China or Fiver himself but wants a high front price as if giving Americans a sane salary.  This is ancient software that needs a boost but it can use modern (even 5 year old computers) equipment in ways you'd have needed a Silicon Graphics engine in the 00s to do.

 

well I was not impresed with P-11 pro...    A great many textures I had were not adapted for Superfly nor hair props and clothing//  With rendo taking over Poser already I have seen two vendors revising their harp props so they work in p-11 and Rendo might be encouraging some vendors to revamp skin textures of older props so they work in P-11   as it stands now I have over a Hundred V4 textures and perhaps only a dozen that will work in Suprerfly  and that is the reason I stay with Pro 2014   

I really feel that it will be some time before we see a new version of Poser but I can guess it will be geared for Le Femme

I think Le Femm is a Great imprpvement  for a base figure,  but so far the textures  seem to have little changes in the facial structure so many textures may alter skin tone,  but the faces all look the same 

 

Regards   SHadoman

I might look into that   Thanks for link

I would really love to play around with P-11 more   but I feel the library layout is not as user friendly as Pro 2014

someday when I have the time I will    as of this moments I am trying to wrap up a Transgender Comic for another site

 

Regards   Shadoman...