Renderotica

Originally Posted by: rotica

Originally Posted by: DavidGB

 

I just find it weird that I - and you it seems - are considered weird for wanting to see women looking like women and not pre-pubescent girls (and find it rather worrying that ao many people do want women to look like pre-pubescent girls). Full untrimmed pussy was the norm, at least in the West, until 1915, when Gillette, with over 90% of the market for or razor blades for men in the US but wanting to expand somehow, realised that 50% of the population weren't buying razor blades, so if they could convince women they needed to shave ... something, Gillette could go on growing as a business, and they created a massive marketing campaign to convince women, out of nowhere, that they needed to shave their legs and armpits, and men that they should want women who shaved, and were massively successful in the US. Reached the UK basically in the 60s, other European countries over the next few decades, then from there the push to trim pubes and then shave the pubes off completely. It's all the fault of Gillette, abetted later by the fashion industry, purely to make more money from selling hair removal products and services, and billions spent on massive advertising campaigns over the decades to convince everyone that the natural is unnatural, and that people who like the natural look are weird fetishists. And, sadly, how sesceptible so many people are to advertising. All the claimed thing about hygiene and cleanliness is complete bollocks, and the body hair is a product of millions of years of evolution, existing for good reasons.

Sorry: rant over.

public beta was released, I've spent quite soem time t

I agree 100%. Shaven pubes can be nice on occasion. But I want more variety. I used to also be a fan of pubic hair running into the thighs. But now I think I prefer a big bush, but trimmed to create a nice v-shape. The hirsute look with hairy legs is not my thing.

No - that's where I suppose I'm hypocritical. I don't like obvious dark-haired hairy legs on women either. However, some women, like my long-time-ago ex-wife, grow leg hair that's very fine and colourless, and you can't really see it unless you look closely for it. I'd made some comment about preferring a natural look, not thinking about leg hair, she expressed relief and stopped shaving or trimming all body hair completely, I then realised and dreaded the appearance of leg hair, but it turned out I really couldn't see her leg hair after it grew unless I focused and looked hard for it! So that was OK, with her. BUT thick black leg hair ... no thanks.

I don't know where that comes from with me. I don't think I'd ever noticed hairy armpits on a woman until the Patti Smith Group album cover photo for Easter. But ever since, for some reason i just find it very hot. I don't know ... makes me feel they're kind of wild, animal, likely to be real sexual animals. And it's not just me. On DeviantArt someone was doing lots of AI images of various characters, and I found that they had occasionally had underarm hair added. I actually commented how I liked that on one - very few people comment, even though there's lots of favoriting of images - and would like mroe of one particular character with the armpit hair and pubic bush - and suddenly there were  a bunch of comments in rpely to mine from other people saying 'me too ... pleeeeease'. And certain woemen I intermittently follow on OnlyFans etc every now and then will stop shaving their underarms for a little bit syaing how they get so many requests from so many fans for some content with underarm hair (though unfortunately for the fairly short time they leave it each time, and all the normal shaving, what they manage to produce is very thin and wispy). So I found that it's not just me! Whatever, since starting with Poser in 2004, then moving to DS when the original came 0.9 Public Beta came out later that year, I've spent quite some time trying to add armpit hair to female figures. Back with V3 and SP3 skins it was tryign to use transmaps, or cloning from the very rare V3?SP3 skin released with armpit hair on. I am not a modeller, but much later I actually made some 3D aarmpit hair, originally for V4 in Hexagon - actual modelled hairs back when heaad hair produts were still mostly transmapped (not very good). Then tryig to modify the sets released here, none of which actually seemed ot show the growth patterns normally observed, But just a few months ago i actually posted in LightBlue's Help section of this forum requesting something like I wanted rather than the sets they'd already released, they asked for details, I packaged up a bunch of photos of various celebrties (and a lot of modern female musicians) displaying reala rmpit hair, and LightBlue produced that recent set for G8F, G8.1F and G9 very quickly, and FINALLY my female characters have the armpit hair I've wanted all these years! (i was somewhat amused to stumble on a post from model and actress Cara Delevigne about how she, fed up with having to shave her armpits, had her amrpit hair permaently lasered away  - and then almost immeidtaely landed a film role where her character had to have armpit hair, and she found herself having to use 'armpit merkins' and have the fake hair stuck on then ripped off each day. That is a thing that annoys me - all the films that are set in prehsitoric times, medieval times, fantasy barbarian women etc all, with their carefully shaved armpits.)

Oh, I know. What I said was them removing ANY hair started with Gillette convincing them to shave legs and armpits starting in 1915, not bushes; and that got to the UK in the 60s, other European countries more slowly - in the 80s in the UK people would make jokes about all the armpit and leg hair on the women from various France, Spain, Italy, germany etc. When (German) Nena appeared on Top Of The Pops with 99 Red Balloons (Luftballons in original german version) in 1983 and raised an arm, wearing a sleevelss top with deep cut armholes, displaying an armpit bush it actually made headlines the next day in the national newpapers - A Woman! With armpit hair! The horror! You'd think she'd jumped off the stage, killed a teen in the audience and started eating her! (And she was really traunatized by the experience of being pilloried and mocked in the  national British press, and wouldn't come back to perform in the UK again, coming from rural Germany as she did where nobody ever thought about shaving armpits still then. To me it makes her performance on Top Of The Pops very hot.) But when I started buying softcore porn mags int he late 70s and early 80s, legs and armpits shaved but all full pubic bushes. The more and more trimmed, then compleetly bald pussy thing started in the 90s. But again that was corporate greed - not only Gillette but other hair removal product makers and the fashion industry basically started another massive campaign to get women to really trim, then remove the pubic bush just to provide more sales - new bikins covering less and less, all the different pubic bush trimming and removal products and servies. It's 

<Snip> (Yes, I lived through Usenet newsgroups where snipping was expected and you were lynched if you didn't and just quoted everything)

I don't have a problem with what anybody else chooses to do, and expect different people to have different likes and dislikes. But for myself, I have a visceral dislike of anything anal. Don't know why, but I just don't want to look at or think about it. So the fashion that arrived when all B/G porn had to have anal sections was very bad for me. And in the comments under videos on assorted websites i visited, there was always a baying mob demanding anal from any and every porn actress under every non-anal video. For myself I find things have improved a lot since OnlyFans and then the other simialr sites that have followed. I've found that there are actually a lot of fans with similar tastes to me when we weren't really catered for at all when it was all the porn studios. Even DAZ is now actually providing good support for various body types they only gave grudging support to before - probably noticed that what was assumed to be a very niche interest when everything was controlled by the porn studios actually has some of the top content creatires on OnlyFans with a LOT of fans. And the sex is a lot more genuine, at least in the ones I've looked at.

Nope, not getting into any of that. Having been away from producing anything for many years after I became disabled, having 'returned' I'm happy telling stories with rendered still images and accompanying text with narrative and dialogue - not porn, as such: action-thrillers that include explicit sex scenes but also fights, shootouts, chases, escapes, drama, everything you'd expect in an action-thriller that didn't  include sex scenes. But I want my own characters as they pop into my head, not some porn actress trying to play a female action hero. And they have to have the physique a woman would have to have to really be able to do what action heroes do. Wiith a full, untrimmed bush and armpit hair!

Originally Posted by: rotica

Quote:

Nope, not getting into any of that. Having been away from producing anything for many years after I became disabled, having 'returned' I'm happy telling stories with rendered still images and accompanying text with narrative and dialogue - not porn, as such: action-thrillers that include explicit sex scenes but also fights, shootouts, chases, escapes, drama, everything you'd expect in an action-thriller that didn't  include sex scenes. But I want my own characters as they pop into my head, not some porn actress trying to play a female action hero. And they have to have the physique a woman would have to have to really be able to do what action heroes do. Wiith a full, untrimmed bush and armpit hair!

That's a cool idea. Ever seen the movie Wanda (1971), with Barbara Loden? She had stunning legs, and hooked up with a thug and they went on a robbing spree. I can envision that movie remade with explicit sex scenes.  Food for thought. It might be a project I'd want to do down the road. But obviously not use her face. And different enough where copyright is not an issue? I'd have to research the legal implications...

Not what i mean for what I'm doing. Proper action-thriller, just with a female instead of male lead, but she's as a woman would have to be (and a few rare women could be) to really do everything action heroes have to do in action-thrillers, unlike pretty much every 'Action Actress' who couldn't possibly really do that stuff. So, woman, ex-soldier and also ex-special forces - from  a  country that really does have a female special forces unit. Drifting around after leaving the army, gets urgent SOS from former army buddy back home. She goes, not knowing what the problem is, finds he and his family are being threatened by what turns out to be a neo-nazis terrorist group to make him help them commit an attack - an atrocity that will mostly target children. Can't go to police because the group have some members in the police who will know. She infiltrates where they are holed up ... but is spotted. Brutal fight, she's just winning but then more pile in and she's overpowered, captured, and they have two iddeological reasons to  treat her harshly on top of just being mean bastards. Beating (hero captured and given a beating is a trope of the genre). Sexual abuse (unlike the usual hero she's a woman, so naturally). But while they think she - especially as 'just a woman' - has been broken, she hasn't. She escapes, wrecking the bomb planned to be used. Pursued, they now want/need to kill her, but she turns tables on the pursuers and eliminates all of them one by one, Guns, a knife - even kills one with a (replica) Viking sword. Terrorist attack stopped, but she then visits the rich and powerful man she has discovered is behind the group, overpowers him, then SHE sexually abuses HIM - on camera, with a video he wouldn't want people to see, to be released onto the internet if he or his cronies go anywhere near her friend or his family again ... etc. So, action thriller, not porn. But, needing to wait until dark at one point, she and her ex-Army buddy, who once slept together in a very memorable night for both of them, have a sex session, And she's sexually abused. And abuses the bad guy leader. In a 'Hollywood movie' version, they'd show the start of each to imply what the characters do (and probably long enough to have a quick shot of the lead actress with tits out). But in this, full extended sex scenes. So proper Action thriller, but containing some extended explicit XXX during the action-thriller plot. That's what i'm doing. (Actually curently in a prequel story that takes her from having the skills to be an action hero, but finishes forging her into the state of mind she'll need, ready to be ruthlessa dn brutal when she needs to be.)