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I'm curious what the consensus might be here on running my images through an AI image tool to enhance the quality.
I don't know if I should post them in the AI generated section or not.
They're not AI generated, but an AI tool is used to improve them.
Thoughts? The Curator of Downworld.
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Hi Redsup, I would say if AI is used just to improve then it's only the same as any other post processing method, but where do you draw a line between improved and as input? TP. I'm just here by mistake, for a friend, for science... anyway you can't prove nuffin'.
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Well, for example;
Before And After.
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This is the proverbial camel putting his nose in the tent. He's in, but not much. It starts here. Soon his head is in and soon after that his whole body. This is how every technology encroaches and eventually supplants. It's a thorny sticky situation.
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Originally Posted by: Zeppelin 
This is the proverbial camel putting his nose in the tent. He's in, but not much. It starts here. Soon his head is in and soon after that his whole body. This is how every technology encroaches and eventually supplants. It's a thorny sticky situation.
I quite agree, and I'm in no danger of going hog wild with AI generation tools. I tried it and found it to be a pain in the ass. As was said, I'm just using the AI tool to do all of the post work at once. The Curator of Downworld.
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This is just me, myself and I (how selfish!) but ... from my POV that's not "improving" => that's redefining things. And as such it should be labeled as such I think.
The keypad on the door has green and blue in the original: those colors are gone. The wall is grained whitish: then all of a sudden it's brown. That by itself wouldn't be an issue (try to pursue "white balance" with an image editor) but taken within context... same for the floor. And then we have the girls eyes..surely I don't need to say more?
IMO it's not enhancing if the whole nature of the image gets changed. Enhancing would take the original and enhance it within limits, limits which don't pass the boundaries of the original (like changing color schemes "because").
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Assuming that was a Daz render, those AI enhancements could have easily been achieved in Daz with a couple of lights, with little render time penalty.
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I got called out on it by the moderators anyway.
Anything that uses AI to any degree must go into the AI catagory. The Curator of Downworld.
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I like playing with AI, so far I've just dabbled in perchance ai since its free and NSFW tolerant. Im curious what you used to enhance your image if you dont mind sharing. I know Topaz studio has some algorithms to take ai images and human blemish them up. I've wanted to take images ive done with daz and do like you did, and turn a rendered image into a different art format, but keep all the content the same.
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Originally Posted by: davo I like playing with AI, so far I've just dabbled in perchance ai since its free and NSFW tolerant. Im curious what you used to enhance your image if you dont mind sharing. I know Topaz studio has some algorithms to take ai images and human blemish them up. I've wanted to take images ive done with daz and do like you did, and turn a rendered image into a different art format, but keep all the content the same.
I'm using Venice AI. It's totally uncensored, although it's $18.00 a month for the pro version, and the free version is really limited. Multiple image generation tools, about half are also uncensored.
I totally stumbled into the idea of taking my renders and running them through the image generator to clean them up. The Curator of Downworld.
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Originally Posted by: Redsup
I got called out on it by the moderators anyway.
Anything that uses AI to any degree must go into the AI category.
Thank you for being honest. If people are not, there will be a gradual erosion and then a collapse
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Originally Posted by: Zeppelin
Originally Posted by: Redsup
I got called out on it by the moderators anyway.
Anything that uses AI to any degree must go into the AI category.
Thank you for being honest. If people are not, there will be a gradual erosion and then a collapse
I've been on this website for 15 years, I can't imagine not being so. You are welcome. The Curator of Downworld.
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Originally Posted by: Redsup
I got called out on it by the moderators anyway.
Anything that uses AI to any degree must go into the AI catagory.
Further to Redsup's comment above, ANY use of AI tools to generate or edit images must use the AI categories. This is outlined in the Community Policies:
https://www.renderotica.com/community/Community-Policy.aspx
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I love Ai, but the general feel I get at all of the marketplace forums I've seen is that if Ai has so much as made a texture in the background then the whole thing is tainted. I just wonder how people will feel when something like Daz adds Ai right inside the tool. Don't let what other people think stop you from making the art you want to make with the tools you want to use.
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Originally Posted by: Darkseal I love Ai, but the general feel I get at all of the marketplace forums I've seen is that if Ai has so much as made a texture in the background then the whole thing is tainted. I just wonder how people will feel when something like Daz adds Ai right inside the tool. Don't let what other people think stop you from making the art you want to make with the tools you want to use.
I agree that people should be able too use any of the tools available, but the comparison between traditional work and AI is like comparing an ax to a chainsaw. One is analog, manual, and physically demanding. The other is a power tool that can outperform the manual tool by a huge margin. This site displays artwork from both sources, but its only fair to draw a distinction between the two. I would advocate for a separate gallery for AI work, it needs to be judged by a different set of aesthetic and competency criteria.
There is also the business aspect to consider, if AI becomes dominant, then the vendor section will wither and die, and maybe the financial floor sustaining the site. There is no upside for hosting free work with nothing but a few ads for AI tools generating income.
The advent of the chainsaw did not spell the end of axes, but far less work is done by the ax. This is the future and it's not going away. I own an ax and a chainsaw, but use them for different jobs.
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The best use of AI IMHO is to upscale old photos to High Definition. You can preserve old family photos that way and even animate faces of people long since passed if you were feeling nostalgic. I use it for that most the time.
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