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In a few months we'll have a changing of the guard in the U.S. government. You probably heard about "Project 2025" which is either the blueprint for the next 4 years or not, depending on who you listen to. We don't really know yet how relevant it will be.
But it does have that worrisome bit: "Pornography should be outlawed. The people who produce and distribute it should be imprisoned."
Isn't that US?
Is anybody worried? On one hand campaign promises need to be taken with a lot of salt, and "ban porn" has often been trumpeted but there's still more than ever. On the other hand, this is a pretty extreme take on naughty pictures. Don't want to get too political here, but this seems really relevant for our little corner of the intertubes.
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Without wanting to talk politics itself (!) I still think you raise a very interesting take on things. Especially considering the fact that our little naughty hideout isn't just about erotics itself but also addresses more explicit / brutal contents as well.
Still... I wouldn't worry too much for a couple of reasons. First, the obvious, - generally speaking - the politics who raise their voice against "smut" the most are more than often (not always of course!) but still.. more than often pretty into the whole thing themselves.
I've read those stories where a huge political congress was held and one of the topics were issues such as pr0n. Yah... the irony however was that escort services were having a b00ming business going and they almost couldn't get enough escorts to service the whole thing.
Still worst case scenario ... it's still essentially an ASP powered website with a database backend and several custom build routines to administer the website. So theoretically such an environment should be portable to other places. In other words, theoretically it should be possible for them as a company to simply move the website out of the US.
Of course I have no idea how feasible this is, I mean... I'd imagine that their primary market is with US but when I look at some of my fellow product testers, some of the vendors, some of my Renderotica friends and of course myself I can tell you that there's plenty of international attention as well ;)
I really think this is one of those things in which you can only wait and see what happens.
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this is fear mongering from the left, nothing more. You are talking about a pres who got caught paying a pornstar, attempted to impeach for it, and just got reelected. These are not the droids you want with whom to fuck. The map is red and porn is stronger than ever. Gen X is in charge now.
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The most the red states probably gonna do is follow suit with some that have already required proof of age verification. Pornhub won't allow me to access in Montana, some other states do it too. You just need to use a vpn to get around it.
Credit card companies already put the kibash on fetish stuff and violent content. If you don't do kiddie and beasty, you should probably be okay without running into the "lock em up" territory. We do have a constitutional right to freedom of speech and expression. Don't quote me on the expression part, I'm not an expert and don't want to get technical. I'm just using my gut instinct here and have been known to change my mind when confronted with facts lol.
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yeah, i'm assuming everything posting and talked about is legal content of course. I see and hear a lot of posts talking about things that will just not happen in the usa. Places like Canada, Australia, England, they have some really messed up laws going on against free speech these last few years/covid time. It's just not gonna swing that way here because we're all armed.
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Maybe this is why Daz seem to be increasing the number of Toon releases
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Originally Posted by: Teej2113  Maybe this is why Daz seem to be increasing the number of Toon releases
Daz is increasing the number of toon releases because they created the Filatoon Shader, and have to support or push it so the time invested in producing the shader is justified.
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Originally Posted by: Darkseal yeah, i'm assuming everything posting and talked about is legal content of course.
Kind of the point. Laws change. Something that's legal on Monday can be illegal on Tuesday.
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I'm going to do my best to not get political here.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is this: Renderotica is based in Canada. US law will not affect them. That being said, adult content and media has long been protected by the First Amendment, and that's not likely to change. The incoming administration knows damned well that a huge section of their voting block consumes adult material at a pretty high rate. There are a lot of maps available online that show how much adult material is consumed in red leaning states, and even blue states. They know damned well that taking away something from a huge chunk of the population will not go over well, at all. I really don't think that we have anything to worry about here.
Face it, Project 2025 is an evangelical fever dream. Instituting it in its entirety or even partially will go over like a lead balloon with just about every single person of voting age in the US, and the incoming administration knows that. The people behind it have been squawking about banning adult content for decades. This is nothing new.
It's like the left screaming about banning firearms, they'd love to do it, they make it a part of their platform every election cycle, but it never happens because they simply can't. The 2nd is enshrined in the Constitution just like the 1st, and courts have said so over and over again, and will continue to say so over and over again. As Darkseal said, we're all armed. Both the incoming and outgoing administrations know this, and that's what keeps us free.
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Way I see it it will increase VPNs and other encrypted transmissions - many using 2 factors so if one is compromised the other isn't
Hint - the ones that advertise all over are grossly compromised, it's common knowledge you can buy hacking tools to get right into them first doorstep on the darknet. Remember how one had a mjaor scandal a while back?
Still - for now - it's not TIA for extreme illegal rather avoiding blocks and embarrassment.
That's good - there will be such a FLOOD of people using encryption, VPNs and dabbling in the Darknet you don't stand out if you use such. Plus an Alibi - "here's the pron I bought from Minka's site - all legal, but I didn't want it on an open list I accessed. So I did a VPN. Happy?" (via a lawyer, don't talk just get a lawyer if a LEO talks to you)
I'd put it in a cartoon but this site is for now much stricter than RL. It'd just invovle someone sick that for Japanese TOONS yes drawn he had to use a VPN and prepare for darknet access. Flood of people (Think Cyberpunk stuff - all those Cybertenko products...) so the watching feds don't notice real terrorists and the worst criminals low down... Person logs onto relatively safe darkent, greeter shows right to Hentai (MILF or otherwise) and no problems. Another character comes up and offers extralegal services - "Since you need to sneak here and invest in time/money for encryption why not..." - he declines, no problem. Leaves with Japanese toons. Darknet people - "Yep, he'll be back..." and guy is at home and thinking "Next time I might as well.."
So in essence their overbearingness is (already) causing more encryption and grey to black market traffic again.
Also I bet there's going to be a HUGE increase in racism and antisemitism that will stay even if/when the country flips back.
WHy? The "Politics" stuff - all this RAMMED hyper insane political correctness aka "Woke" taken to the NTH power. IMO it got Trump elected and caused the Democrats to lose this time. Now the ADL is shaking down Steam for $ and control and the social media is soaked with Wyatt Mann jokes and pure rage due to politics ruining the videogame world. Eventually there will be a few payment processors (or more crypto) and they can be reliably bypassed. So you'll be able to openly buy things to the letter of the law... Racism, sexism, etc. will almost be required to prove the stuff is "Edgy" not repackaged stuff the 'woke' excrete. Because the near monopoly payment processors have been A-hole bullies who coat on top of their bully acts the pretense of being progressive.
Well maybe Black Magic SS will be able to sell their albums openly without being de-platformed. Wonderful music act - it's more 70s Progressive Wizard rock, no hate in it, just ...interesting symbolism - but things like Rainbow Nights... Awesome album and no 'hate' that i heard just trippy like deep hallucinogen with Baksi LOTR/Wizards in the background.
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There's no use in catastrophising unless it's about trying to prepare for the possibility of that kind of legislation going through.
We can talk about money-based, individualistic work-arounds (which I am in favor of in principle) which don't do much on a societal scale except de facto legitimize the idea that pornography should be something available only to those with money, creating a weird additional mystique around "people are horny, like horny things" that we don't need. Pornhub's already blocked in some states and the fact is that even if this place isn't a high priority, that just means that we make it to the fifth or sixth round of blocks and that's going to cause some difficulties for this place and its community. Sure, there are workarounds, but those workarounds may soon become illegal and then what?
Will this administration personally destroy this place and its community? Probably not. But it will affect some peoples' bottom lines and further legitimize the non-governmental power wielded by financial entities as state power bears down on them to continue blocking access for people in the ill-defined "pornography industry". If the law's broad enough, you can decide anything at all is part of the "pornography industry". People in some places have already decided in some places that libraries are, after all. Why stop there? Power is in being able to define what counts as what.
We can talk about left, right, constitution, law, etc. like those are stable or reality-based categories, but things like the legislative goals OP mentions in P2025 operate on the logic that "law" isn't about facts, practicality, or even feasibility: it's about what you can convince people to do and what you make them afraid to do (through social opprobrium or punishment). You can make a lot of things which are against both the letter and spirit of the law popular and matters of course through precedent and making people scared to speak out against it. This is why a popular flavor of blackmail-based scam email is "I know what porn you look at and it's disgusting, send me money or I'll let everyone know what you jerk it to". People don't rush to defend people in the sex industry because it's been long decided that pornography is some combination of evil or disgusting and that it'd be better if it went away.
All that said, I imagine the people running this place probably have some contingencies in mind, but it is going to come down to all of us in our own lives speaking up for pornography and people who make it. Yes, even THAT pornography (whatever it is you're thinking of there). And that's gonna involve drawing a lot of lines in the sand for the people around you, because end of the day, one of the largest markets has introduced a lot of questions into what's possible to sell and a lot of organizations which count on the kind of money a market that share can deny them will be paying attention.
There's no quick-and-easy solution, but as long as we all keep in mind (and remind our friends and families) to keep in mind that no matter how distasteful it's found to be, it's a legitimate form of both art and commerce, we at least have a start. We then have to remember to remind ourselves and others that these people are not rulers, they are representatives, and the more they act like rulers, the more skeptical we should be of them.
We're all in this together. No amount of money or power will exempt you if you've already agreed that both should be taken away by someone's caprice.
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wait, this is based in Canada? We might be screwed then. Canada's current admin have been crackin skulls of the opposition, removing larger caliber guns, freezing banking accounts, stopping churches from holding mass, taxing the Amish for ridiculous amounts for not using smartphone apps and such....
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I don't think it's anything to get super worried about. The worst thing that could happen is legislation is passed to make it harder for <18 individuals to access pornographic material, which I honestly don't really have a problem with that. Porn is way too accessible for minors.
Other than that, there are way more important things for the coming administration to worry about than regulating porn.
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Originally Posted by: saintmichael95 I don't think it's anything to get super worried about. The worst thing that could happen is legislation is passed to make it harder for <18 individuals to access pornographic material, which I honestly don't really have a problem with that. Porn is way too accessible for minors.
Other than that, there are way more important things for the coming administration to worry about than regulating porn.
Except Several States passed such laws in recent years, requiring Adult sites to verify age via ID card/ID card scans. And several Porn sites just blocked access from those states because of difficulties in them complying. So there are several States now if you try to connect you get a message about how they've opted to limit your access in your State because your Legislators decided to pass laws that they don't want to comply with. And the only way to get around it is to use VPN to connect to said site.
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Originally Posted by: BrotherHades
Except Several States passed such laws in recent years, requiring Adult sites to verify age via ID card/ID card scans. And several Porn sites just blocked access from those states because of difficulties in them complying. So there are several States now if you try to connect you get a message about how they've opted to limit your access in your State because your Legislators decided to pass laws that they don't want to comply with. And the only way to get around it is to use VPN to connect to said site.
...I know. Literally everyone that watches porn knows this. That was my point in my post, but I guess that wasn't really obvious. It's not like I've been living under a rock, dude. Anyways, like I said before, that's likely the worst that's going to happen and again, despite it being a bit annoying, I don't really have an issue with proper age verification for that stuff. All they're doing is trying to enforce laws that already exist... The way it was before, going to [insert porn site here] and clicking "yes, I'm over the age of 18" is no different than someone walking up to the cashier in a store with a six pack of beer and saying they're over 21 and the cashier not checking their ID. Just like someone has the choice to not provide their ID in a store and therefore choose not to purchase alcohol, people can choose not to provide ID to a pornsite and access said adult material.
Hindsight being 20/20 and all, I wish I could go back twenty years and keep ten year old me from discovering internet porn.
Tl'dr, porn is not being banned anytime soon, it's just being regulated like literally anything else that is restricted to adults.
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Originally Posted by: saintmichael95
Originally Posted by: BrotherHades
Except Several States passed such laws in recent years, requiring Adult sites to verify age via ID card/ID card scans. And several Porn sites just blocked access from those states because of difficulties in them complying. So there are several States now if you try to connect you get a message about how they've opted to limit your access in your State because your Legislators decided to pass laws that they don't want to comply with. And the only way to get around it is to use VPN to connect to said site.
...I know. Literally everyone that watches porn knows this.
Uhm, nope? That doesn't fly for me, I never knew and since when does quantity equal qualitry? Seems dumb to me.
Honestly? My 2 cents.. Storm in a bottle...
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So I haven't been on in a while. This was the first thing that popped up when I just logged on.
To continue a theme: my two cents.
I'm American. Always have been, always will be. Grew up in the rust belt and moved to NYC when I was 21. Moved to Canada when I was 31, after the dictator got elected but not originally for that reason.
Trump is a bullshit artist. Always has been, always will be. The difference between his first presidency and this one is who he has to deal with to get things passed and who he has backing him up.
He's proven time and time again that he doesn't really care about politics - or people - but only his own ego. 'I got things done!' It doesn't matter of the majority of people WANT those things, it just matters if he can stamp his name on it.
Now the major issue, in terms of us as pornography artists and consumers, is that he's now backed up by career politicians and billionaires. Those people include neo-nazis, fundamentalists, major donors (to his pocket), lobbyists, and people who actually know what they're doing. That's not to mention he now has control in both the Supreme Court and Congress, which he didn't have last time.
Why should we worry? He obviously likes porn, after all he fucked a porn star with his tiny cock! Well, he's ruling class now. And his cronies are ruling class now. And ruling class has different rules for them and for us. As George Carlin said 'They want more for themselves and less for everybody else.' In that same moment he said 'It's a big club, and you ain't in it.'
You're not. I'm not. Literally no one on this site is. And you know the hardest truth? Trump isn't either. He's a patsy. An old, senile, admiration-addicted patsy. And they'll use him, just like they use everyone else, to make lives worse for everyone 'less than' themselves. Which is everyone.
You like porn? From the ultra vanilla pinups of George Petty, who did half of the nosecaps on planes from WW2? To the extreme shit people like Davo and Fixer and Roberts and even I create? It's going away forever. Not for THEM, but for YOU. They've said it, they've imposed it already in several States. Yes, you can get around it with a VPN for now... until they outlaw VPNs. Which they will, for everyone but themselves. They like porn, make no mistake, just not for you. Only for them.
Hey, isn't this freedom of speech?! Yes, until it's not. Haha, you can only talk freely until they can that. Oh, it's in the Bill Of Rights? They have a thousand false reasons, and a thousand real ones, to spin it out. 'It's immoral!', ''It's degrading!', 'It corrupts minds!', 'It hurts the children!'. They'll find a reason because any time you spend away from working THEIR jobs, decreasing THEIR productivity, lowering THEIR money is the true abhorrence. YOU are lessening them by wanting to live. How dare you. Be an obedient worker until you're to old to work. Then just die. Decrease the surplus population.
Fuck. I'm writing an impassioned speech on a porn site. That tracks with history though. All counter-culture comes from the far places. The places away from everyone.
Let me say this last. Trump isn't the problem. He's both the symptom and the patsy. He's a win-win. A buffoon that can't remember sentences? Great, we control him. Oh, he died in office as the oldest president ever? Great. JD Vance, the person we've GROOMED for us is now in power. All hail our fallen overlord, who the American people CHOSE. He'll carry on his wishes, which are actually his and his billionaire friends' wishes, because people are born exactly the same.
Trump wants power and notoriety. JD Vance and his owners want power and money. They'll get it all now. They own Congress. They own the Supreme Court. Soon, very, very soon they'll own everything about you. You'll live and die by what they decree. You will only be able to do what they say you can do.
You like porn? It's banned (except for us because laws don't apply). You like clean air? So what (except where we breathe). You like guns? Hey, guns are fine. Except these guns that could fight against us. And you have too many. And you aren't trained with any. And now we're taking away training courses. You like money? You have none. NONE. We deserve it. And now we control everything. Want to fight back? We control the military. Our top generals, the most influential we've had in decades were in Trump's first cabinet, they publicly said he wasn't fit for office before he was elected again so what do you think you're going to do?
I've enjoyed you all here. This is a community of odd, horny, eccentric individuals. I will never agree with you all, will never make art that you all enjoy, but know this: when the day comes that all this stops, when it's outlawed and broken and disconnected, I've always loved every one of you. Maybe not agreed with you but always loved.
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