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I can't see any AI item for use in SD getting much interest in sales. Civitai has a hard drive choking pile of stuff available for free and the naughty stuff is quickly joining the collection. If anything, creators are asking for a 'coffee' donation that works out to five bucks or so. There's also a lot of excellent and free tutorials on making your own Loras and other goodies for use in SD.

I think a well documented tutorial set including installation instructions, step by step tutorial to create your first image and then advanced tutorial on converting a 3d rendered image (which IMHO would appeal to 3d rendering users and fit better into this site) into another art format would be cool, and I would definitely buy into that. I know nothing about AI and I'm waiting to be able to convert an image I created in 3d into another art style.

Davo, the youtubes if filled with hundreds of hours of tutorials on installation, models, training, etc.. The poser/daz tutorials I've don ein the past felt needed because, at I thought, there was a severe lack of information available. I'd be happy to get you (and whoever else ) up and running via discord if you wanted to. I've done it before, it would be no problem...


CGBytesmgmt, thank you for letting me know why there is no pursuit, the lack of being able to copyright the actual model being sold is understandable. I was unaware that loras or embeddings or hypernetworks would follow the same fate, as those owuld need actual focused training from the individual, and would think it would have ownership.

In anycase, thanks!

And Davo, should you want to, I would be happy to point you to the well of knowledge to get up and running.

I have an idea for what we could make to sell using AiArt - and this WOULD be totally subject to Copyright protection:

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Custom training modules for AI input.

First - we use our own Poser/DAZ software to rapidly generate many thousands of pose files - figures over monocrhomatic backgrounds.  AiArt's big weakness is its trouble to get exact poses but this is changing but its more training data.  We can make and upload our own custom models depending on software and service - Darkseal is more advanced than me there since I'm doing other things also and very busy.

Neat modules with thousands of training images but a few seperate themes for spreading the value and adding to it.  Guns, swordfights, everyday... - male/female poses - and do thousands of them with good descriptions and thumbnails - no need for advanced renderings just make a training set with the model and tags - holding gun 1 - front pose - right hand up - left hand down + maybe a drawn stick figure depending on what option works.

The Copyright from our end is A-OK - since if we have our own assets purchased (figures, poses) we can create unlimited new 2D images just don't share the 3D mesh or other Poser/Daz files.

 

Right then and there we have an option - just not sure pure AIArt users would come to Renderotica/CGBytes directly so might need to market elsewhere or advertise.

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We could also invest in "Streisand Backlash Effect" modules to punish the figureheads of the fake anti-AI art movement.  I mean personalties such as Loish, Marc Brunet and an Aussie guy who's Barlowe like and does evolved space slugs in a sci-fi setting.  Let's see - pretty ladies, pretty ladies and a Barlowe rip-off.  I can understand the first two but...  Oh, well...An "Art style" can NOT be protected by copyright.  There are a million artists in the world and a good number of them are in the 3rd world.  Check out "Art Cities" in China on a popular video service - they copy VanGogh all day and yes they will copy the style of living artists for pennies on the dollar.  For a relatively small investment we could make a good number of images in their style by real professionals who do dozens of images a day.  These could be scanned into training modules with similar sounding names "Yoish", "Unet", "Weird Space Critters from Scifi Oz"...

These WOULD be legally protectable as the source would be 100% controlled - again something like a few dozen art city Chinese people we hired for a while - with the images scanned, tagged and turned into a training module for people to buy for use in their own images.

 

Again an "Art style" can NOT be copyright/trademark.  That's good or otherwise Disney would send lawyers to harass Mark Bode to NOT draw anything anymore or they'd get him jailed somehow "Mike Diana" style and at least ruined financially because his smutty "Underground Comix" style of his and his father degrade THEIR copyright/trademark on the "Wizards" property they now own.  Anyone knowing thing one about this will shudder how unfair and untrue it is, but they'd win with a pile of lawyers and Mickey Mouse opening a fire-hose of money to shop for a friendly to them judge.  No it does not matter they were first and published, protected.  Disney's lawyers would overwhelm it.

Not an art style, but a collection of commissioned images then used FOR an "AI Module"...!  That CAN be protected.  Artists DO have a legit whine if someone scans their stuff in to use and sell - but they could do it with theirs and use it on their own computer for their own works.  Frankly - in their own non-AI training module is it all Public domain or work used with permission?  They whine about computers doing what they do and far faster even with wonky fingers.  "Good Artists create, great artists steal" - Picasso.

Furthermore - as I said in a reply in this section - you can protect AI artworks by :

A - putting your own stuff in the module and/or reference image and be ready to prove it.  The reference image or - as above - the sourced art for training.

B - keep a top layer of your corrections and modifications, even a tiny tree painted in or finger - that's YOUR art a thief would steal on top of AI - the legal claim would be for stealing your art not AI

C - Adding additional work above it in other ways, again such as myself using it for quickie backgrounds but the characters from my own art or from artists who do work from me is top of it and carefully drawing black over them to go "Hrrr Hrrr Hurr" well I don't think that's a threat. (not counting might steal an extra tree or dab of paint that is nearly invisible per B)

For the time being, a Federal US Judge has ruled that AI art cannot be copyrighted. Here is a link to the article that talks about AI and copyright dated October 3, 2023.

https://www.makeuseof.com/copyright-rules-ai-art/

The Judges ruling can be seen here. https://cdn.patentlyo.com/media/2023/08/THALER-v.-PERLMUTTER-et-al-Docket-No.-1_22-cv-01564-D.D.C.-Jun-02-2022-Court-Docket-1.pdf

There may be some gray areas around what percentage of the work is the artist compared to what is AI, but we aren't prepared here to start looking into being able to determine that proof. Right now, AI art is free to use. People can try to sell it, but most people can generate their own. Selling the tools to use with Rendered art may be another avenue to explore, but again, that's outside our scope support here at CGBytes / Renderotica / Renderotique.