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Originally Posted by: ZenMaster3D 
SO... what do you think is going to happen if you'd ask an AI to remove the girl out of the imagine?
I'll tell you: then it can't cope. AI is so intelligent that it can't even recognize a repeating pattern and account for that accordingly.
You nailed it, ZenMaster3D.
But you don't even have to go that far, and confuse AI with seamless tiling patterns. It's enough (for AI) to have people standing in the background. Then raised arms become cow udders and faces become something reminiscent of portraits by Francis Bacon.
And at this point, most (mind you, not all) AI "publishing" becomes ridiculous: why do people post pictures with obvious errors? Be it cow udders, Francis Bacon, more than 5 fingers, nipples that look like cookies on closer inspection or really weird looking genitals .... why don't most AI users bother to retouch that?
Can't they - or won't they? Is (most, not all!) AI perhaps just a cheap thrill for cheap brains?
As mentioned again and again: I like well done (!) AI. But unfortunately there is less and less of it to see and the few real AI artists here at renderotica are withdrawing more and more from the AI gallery, because the AI gallery is littered with cheap and even more cheap works (not even slightly retouched or reworked fingers, nipples, genitals etc.).
And I personally find that a real pity.
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O.o The Butlerian Jihad anyone?
Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
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I do not hate AI Art. I am not afraid of it or feel threatened by it in any way. I fully comprehend it is a different art style that can SIMULATE any other style of art but that is all it is at its core, a simulation. AI Art deserves a space in the spectrum of art styles, it just should not share the same space as true 3D rendered art.
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Honestly, I still don't quite know what to make of AI art yet as the concept is still quite new to me, Even though you can still make really good images with it I personally find it a bit restrictive as you wouldn't be able to do a lot with the character it self i.e posing and adding assets unless you knew the code that actually does that. I'm still using DAZ and and yes many of the poses and assets do come from someone that made them but the main advantage for me if I was using DAZ or even Poser is that you can tweak it to however you need. I am still learning though and would eventually like to do the same sort of thing in unreal and character creator
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Hello kcam001,
thank you for the further hint (Unreal).
There is a tool that can be used to preset poses for AI. But I forgot the name (but it is mentioned above).
But even if there would/will be some more tools - two basic AI errors will remain:
A) the many, many picture errors like 6 fingers or no complete hand, anatomical errors in primary and secondary sexual characteristics, soulless eyes reminding at jellyfishes, etc. pp. ff. This could be fixed with retouching - but only very few AI users do it.
B) The complete lack of another use in 3D. As you wrote, 3D figures, poses, animations, clothes, hair, etc. can be used not only in DAZ for rendering, but also in Unreal, etc. - so wide range of possible applications.
So - stick with 3D ... but don't lose sight of AI. Here in the gallery there are some really good AI works - e.g. topspin or some works by takedown - that show what can be done with AI if you don't just type in some prompt, but use AI as one of several tools (keyword: retouching).
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Great post and observations regarding AI. I've just returned to Renderotica after being over at Deviant art. At first my work was photo morphing and my interests are mainly spanking, both M/M and F/M, plus gay, erotic bondage art, and Male Tentacle depictions. Before downloading to my PC, (not cloud based) Krita, with a Stable Diffusion file. I began to rework my original images through Krita/'Stable diffusion. My observation of most of the cloud programs, is a tendency to, if your not careful be cloneish. I have tried to sign on to the cloud based AI programs, and now there are so many of them my head spins. However their NSFW censorship is heavy handed, such as it was at Deviant Art.
If I could, I'd get a better computer, because I've discovered, that not just a great graphics card is enough, AI needs a high powered PC if your going to make your PC into a server and do it all with various downloaded AI programs. Currently my PC chugs along, but gets things down, and in essence I am submitting an image into the "machine" using positive and negative word prompts and downloaded LORA models, that enhance, and change in various degrees. But I know little about the learn curve specs and the other technical data. I just try to give my young men fantastic asses....
I think in the coming year, there may be a push to drive people into cloud based programs, where you have to create an account or even pay a monthly fee, especially frustrating if you want to do NSFW art. but I could be wrong I'd rather get a beast of a computer and a honking graphics card and make my own learning curve
Bottoms up
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The AI revolution has shown itself to be a powerful tool, but it creates a series of paradoxes in the art world. There have been early legal arguments that AI art is not created by a human, therefore it can not be protected by copyright law. The images do have a tendency to look very similar, but it's sure too get better as more images are illegally scraped and added to the database. It will be a system that mirrors how it's set up, garbage in will mean garbage out. That being said, the superior imaging capabilities and the volume in which they will be produced and improve will leave traditional artists in the dust.
Perhaps it's time to do a clean break and have AI in its own gallery, and traditional model-based art in its own separate gallery, that way the works can be judged against their own capabilities and limitations, rather than having the new outshine the old in an unfair comparison. I see artists who's works look as if they are using AI and are deliberately not saying so, trying to glean likes and acceptance on omitted information. This will undoubtedly be parsed again as artists combine traditional and AI touches, and set off the legal arguments of who's work it really is....
Radio did not kill theaters and concerts, television did not kill radio, cable did not kill television, and streaming did not kill cable. All new media affects and diminishes the past forms a bit, but they all find their place in the landscape. I look at creating images as a game of challenges kind of like making a ship in a bottle, it's time consuming, challenging, and detail oriented, but I know that the finished image is mine, not the product of an algorithm.
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But Video Killed the Radio Star... LOL.
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