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I saw at daz3d that they are offering pre-orders of Genesis 9 female. Let me pre-face this by saying I had no idea about it, know nothing about it, haven't read anything about it.
That being said, at some point we have to embrace the horror (lol, from a vendor point of view anyway).
At what point do we need to start supporting G9 figures? Do we hold off until the bugs are fixed, will G9 still take the same poses exactly as G8.. yadda yadda yadda. I'm not "in the know" about this iteration and wonder what your thoughts are.
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I don't know about a vendor point of view, but as a user, G9 won't have much value for me until some good "fun" parts arrive.
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A lot of that would be up to each vendor as to when they start support for Genesis 9 and stop support for Genesis 8. I'm certain there will be vendors that jump to make Genesis 9 items, and others that will stick to Genesis 8/8.1 for a while.
As to cross compatibility my guess is Genesis 9 will have different rigging, and base mesh is supposed to be twice the resolution of Genesis 8, so without convertors very few items will be natively compatible. I figure there will likely be an auto fit clone of 8/8.1 included and that would likely be it, with further clones and clothing convertors being add on items. I would guess it has a new base UV, and will likely take some kind of convertor to be able to use G8 textures,(There may be a convertor or native ability to use G8 base textures, but this is just based on guessing by what Daz has done in the past) Obviously it will mean buying new base Morph Packs. And whole new versions of the various Characters.
Genesis 9 was only announced toward the end of last month, (9/21) and is being stated for a mid October release, so it is coming up pretty quickly on when it should be out.
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I think that it is only worth to support G9 when enough content is available. Perhaps in 6 months ...
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Personally I'm in no great rush until the support is there for it but from a vendor perspective?... there will likely be customers who will want to know if your products support it. I'm just here by mistake, for a friend, for science... anyway you can't prove nuffin'.
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I slowboated support for G8 and then 8.1 and ended up regretting it.
I plan to support G9 as soon as it's released while continuing to support G8.1 so long as there's a market for it.
G8/8.1 will still be used heavily throughout '23 and maybe '24 but just like each new figure core, eventually an overwhelming majority adopts the new figure and leaves the last one behind.
This will accelerate as PA's release add-ons to convert your older characters/materials/clothes to G9.
Just my 2 cents :)
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I do not plan to make poses directly for Gen 9 for now. At least not in the beginning. DAZ said, that there will be (an integrated, or separately sold) pose converter that will adopt Gen 8 poses to Gen 9. IF that is true and does not need too much tweaking to get a good result, I may include Gen 9 Pose files as an addition, but for now I will stay to make stuff for Gen 8.
You guys that create actual 3D models like clothes and stuff, that can't be as easily converted, probaply have a harder time to decide if you support G9 right from the start.
But as far as I have read, I do not see many reasons to switch to Gen 9 right away.
Yes she looks very nice out of the box. But the hardware requirements for that 8K textures and doubled mesh resolution will keep many people out, that can not buy high end hardware. I also only have 8GB of Vram and that will be minimum to even work with only one G9 figure in the future.
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I'm with Thunder-3D. G8/8.1 will be my main focus for the near future, but I'll be working on G9 as soon as I get my hands on the core product. Some extra work, but it will be useful to get to grips with any different / new aspects of the figure.
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I always say I won't get sucked in by DAZ's "Latest Generation" but I always end up getting sucked in, sooner or later. However, this time it's a bit different. That mesh density is one big issue; many people are already pushing the limits of what their systems can do and recent updates to the Iray rendering engine haven't helped matters - because they required newer graphics card features that NVidia implemented for existing cards in software, on the card itself, in VRAM - thus reducing the memory available for holding the scene and limiting the size of a scene that can be rendered solely on the GPU.
Also, I'm not happy with a lot of what I see coming out of DAZ lately. Repetition, repetition, repetition ... and NFTs.
All that said, we'll see. I've only recently started using all the features of G8.1!
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When they started coming out with transgender morphs for Genesis 8 and pregnancy morphs for Genesis 8 males, I think that was their way of testing to see if having only 1 figure is possible.
For me personally, until they come out with a way to use Genesis 8/8.1 morphs on Genesis 9, it would mean I would have to start buying new characters. Additionally, I know my system wouldn't handle the textures, so they'd have to have lighter versions.
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With every release of a new figure, you can bet on it, comes the complains about having spent to much money on the previous figure, and the now new figure comes to early.
I am not into that character hunting at all anyway.
Various available characters are nothing more to me, than background fillers, Morphs and material resources. I have never liked any character out of the box, for they are always - yes always - to stylized.
So, I am mostly excited about the new Genesis release, despite all my concerns about mesh topology, details and its unimesh.
All that I really need, is a good working character transformer tool. Edited by user Friday, October 7, 2022 7:46:06 AM(UTC)
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Both as a vendor and user, I fully support every new figure as soon as I get my hands on it.
I also support previous generations' versions in most of my products because I like money.
Originally Posted by: kanshinin  When they started coming out with transgender morphs for Genesis 8 and pregnancy morphs for Genesis 8 males, I think that was their way of testing to see if having only 1 figure is possible.
Genesis was a single figure. Edited by user Saturday, October 8, 2022 3:50:00 AM(UTC)
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For me it's always an issue of seeing is believing. Right now I have a nice collection of Genesis 8 / 8.1 figures but they don't make up the majority of my setup. I also still work with Genesis and Genesis 3 models. In fact, much of my wardrobe comes from earlier generations which I'm now using on 8 sometimes.
So as a user it'll be a while before I pick up on it, I'm definitely not going to pre-order anything. That's for sure.
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Originally Posted by: ZenMaster3D For me it's always an issue of seeing is believing. Right now I have a nice collection of Genesis 8 / 8.1 figures but they don't make up the majority of my setup. I also still work with Genesis and Genesis 3 models. In fact, much of my wardrobe comes from earlier generations which I'm now using on 8 sometimes.
So as a user it'll be a while before I pick up on it, I'm definitely not going to pre-order anything. That's for sure.
I am not a Victoria fan anyway. I used to buy Victoria bundles mostly for getting the good stuff only. 
I don't know, if I will do it this time and just wait for some G9 morph packs.
Genesis 9 comes for free and that is, what I am curious about.
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Daz's presentation showed entirely different rigging, new bones, and bone names, plus a very different mesh and UV's. A pose converter from G8-G9 was shown that seemed to do a reasonable job, so poses should not be a big issue, and relatively easy to convert using the convertor for vendors to add G9 options. Characters, morphs, clothes, textures will not work out of the box, but I'm looking at options to transfer character shapes and textures over as soon as I can, but won't really be able to make any real use out of G9 until some "bits" become available.
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I'm concerned about the creeping bloat of the program and assets. I recently purchased a d-force shirt for a G8 female and it turned out being an entire gigabyte in size, for one garment. Each iteration of the program and the models brings bigger files, more complex models, and larger high-res material files. I bought a new computer with fast card and a 2TB drive, and it's already 2/3 full. I don't know how other artists cope, but it's struggle for me Edited by user Friday, October 7, 2022 3:36:06 PM(UTC)
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Skipped the pre-order and do not intend to jump on board soon.
Did use G3F, G8F and even G8.1 early and it costed a fortune plus it took at least 6 month until all those basics were available. So will wait at least 6 months this time. That might change if I can get a 4TB SSD for a good price to put my library on. With my current 2 TB I am out of space. Need to uninstall stuff in DIM to be able to install new purchases all the time.
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DAZ is trying to play cute by not listing what install methods Victoria 9 will use (manual download, DAZ Central, or DIM), even tho' every other product in the store lists them. (For the record, I'm a manual download-only kind of guy -- fuck downloading with an app). When I pointed this out to them, the response I got was [paraphrasing] "we haven't really decided, so we can't tell what it will be, so you'll just have find out at release and decide if that's something that works for you". Bullshit. There's no fucking way that they're this close to releasing their next generation figure and have no idea how they're going to make it available. Not listing the install method isn't a mistake, it's not an oversight, and it's not a breakdown in communication -- it's actually a deliberate attempt NOT to communicate with their customers, especially after having it pointed out to them. I've told them there's no fucking way I'm buying the thing until they come clean about it. I haven't bought a thing in their store in the two weeks or so since I got that half-assed non-answer, and I've already saved about $300.
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There are both free and purchasable pose converters you can get that coverts poses between Genesis 3 and 8 (including 8.1), so I would assume the same thing will happen for Genesis 9. Also, Id imagine theyll keep the automatic clothing converter so you can use the assets you have from other genesis versions on 9 as well.
Ths being said, I did not see the reveal and havent watched anything on it yet. They would bve shooting themselves in the foot id they didnt keep that at this point and they know that.
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Originally Posted by: Giantsquid
There are both free and purchasable pose converters you can get that coverts poses between Genesis 3 and 8 (including 8.1), so I would assume the same thing will happen for Genesis 9. Also, Id imagine theyll keep the automatic clothing converter so you can use the assets you have from other genesis versions on 9 as well.
Ths being said, I did not see the reveal and havent watched anything on it yet. They would bve shooting themselves in the foot id they didnt keep that at this point and they know that.
Are there so many differences between Gen 3 figures and Gen 8.1 ? Not really, from my humble customer POV.
There's, alas, no affordable alternatives to the Daz figures for us hobbyists in the digital domain.
Unfortunately, I kind of think that Gen 9 will be another iteration of the same old stuff. Without backward compatibility, probably mainly for business purposes.
I'm always waiting since at least 25 years for that "miracle" figure, with believable extreme posing capacity, a real surface shading at least approaching photorealism.
There's still no pore, oiliness, goose bump, subsurface veining easily available to my knowledge.
The Daz HD stuff, is still from my very humble POV just a scam.
I play with these things since Poser 3, a real lot of improvements have been made, but is it really worth the cost ?
My Dad used oil painting on canvases to ""update" my mom". He was not a real artist, and all these nudes are quite embarrassing now. Nevertheless, he spent just a few dimes doing this.
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