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The most random thought occured to me the other day, and I thought that it might be cool to spice up the forums (love talking to yall lovely peeps). What's something that is just so bottom of the barrel, something that's just so taboo that there's no amount of money someone could pay you, no amount of liquid courage, no amount of anything that could make you want to read/watch something. This is primarily directed towards 3d art, but if there's a certain movie, a book, a tv show, or anything of that nature that caught your eye (unfortunately) let me know.
I just want to see if everyone else is as squiemish as I am (auto correct has failed me, as I think I spelled that word wrong)
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Originally Posted by: Ebonix115 
The most random thought occured to me the other day, and I thought that it might be cool to spice up the forums (love talking to yall lovely peeps). What's something that is just so bottom of the barrel, something that's just so taboo that there's no amount of money someone could pay you, no amount of liquid courage, no amount of anything that could make you want to read/watch something. This is primarily directed towards 3d art, but if there's a certain movie, a book, a tv show, or anything of that nature that caught your eye (unfortunately) let me know.
I just want to see if everyone else is as squiemish as I am (auto correct has failed me, as I think I spelled that word wrong)
"The Mind is it's own world and through it one can make Heaven a Hell and Hell Heaven..."
-Lucifer from "Paradise Lost"
I think it should not be seen as a "Level" in terms of atrocity and things that'd get into TOS issues (even 3D/fiction only) and more a matter of personal preference. I argue it's more a collection of crazy brain crossings vs "how FAR can you GO?" In my case I can get pretty deep but it's something else that 'triggers' me. (SJWs are ruining that word; trigger)
But different sites, different cultures -
Hint "Tubgirl" (you probably don't want to search if you don't know, ye be warned...) - The picture, brought to me by the now gone "Rotten" website in early WWW days was funny not so much for showing stuff hard to find in ANY USA porn (though within TOS here if labels are clicked...) but that it was from Japan so there was pixels over the model's orifice openings. Her cunt and anus. Their country, their rules - even though TOS issues are just "Yeah, so?" there they have rules on directly showing the openings, tip of dick. So despite the subject of the picture the only "Decency" issue was creatively (and pointlessly) censoring the opening even though ask for it in a filthy porn shop in the USA they'd toss you out... "How VeLY wize or Ohliental Fliends! THey Ahrow nothing indecent! Yah!" - and that last statement was cultural not racial, they have huge chunks of humor on how Americans/Europeans even other Asians mess up their native language... Oh, and a TOS issue NOT involving 3DCG or their 2D drawn artwork but real people was only made (weakly) illegal in the late 90s even... Hey, Japan is why tentacle hentai and internal shots are so popular - though the USA had good cinematic creature sex before "Demon Beast Invasion" - Galaxy of Terror, Xtro...and every other PulpScifi thing hinted at it way before they could show it.
For me I do have a place I won't go;
Food Play - Food Fetishism...
Was really into Savannah's vids before she killed herself. Well after too. Saw her as some kind of "Perfect" physical character. No, never obsessed, dreamed of boinking IRL, just liked the vids for her hot sex. One of them she was playing with food and others too, rubbing it all over, licking it off. I nearly puked. If I'd been asked before I'd have said "Yeah, So?" But somehow it grossed me out and caused a nausea reaction. Now anyone who's seen MY stuff well I'd be the pot calling the kettle black? I would but I don't "Crusade" to end the "Evil" of "Food Play" or rave it's immoral... Just not what I participate in, pay to view, look at. It's a paraphilia I don't have though I have a Sh-tload of others...
IF anyone asked me to do custom 3D images for pay or as a fan request of that I'd tell them. Nothing raving just "Uh, fella... I'm really NOT a fan of the Food Play genre. Won't go into it but you might try someone else..." But if I ran a porn site or something I'd just make sure "Food Play" would be a searchable tag so people who wanted it could find it and people who didn't like it could avoid it.
I'm not absolute - as a personal request I'm going to put a "Foot Job" into an episode of "Caged Women in the Hell Jail" though I'd go "Eh?" at such porn, Hentai or RL model stuff. Funnier thing the current plot has it happening shortly after a scene with a horse and I don't mean the Mideval Japan Cortesan training device - so glad they rejected my comics for sale here or I'd have NOT included it. (and won't upload images from said scene)
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Can I just mention the fact that you ask amazing questions regularly here? I love that so much.
As for me? I have a few hard limits and things I really don't enjoy. I'm not a fan of either scat or dolcette, and won't make images based on that. I also don't like to do true gore. Pain and torture? Yes. But ask me to chop off a limb or a head and I'll just say no.
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Scat, pedo, guro (as in literally "fucking" guts and dead bodies and entrails) and cruelty to animals. Those are the big 4 for me. Real torture, humiliation and rape are a turn off for me, too. When I know it's fiction or fantasy it takes on a different light. Sometimes people get the wrong impression of me based on my artwork but there is a difference in what I consider art and real life.
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When I know, or when I think I know, the people involved are not free to do what they do.
There are stuffs I dislikes, even a lot sometimes, but the only things that are "really rock bottom" to me, are those that don't respect the will of the involved people.
And if I think it is the case, I'm hurt. Deeply.
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Originally Posted by: davo Scat, pedo, guro (as in literally "fucking" guts and dead bodies and entrails) and cruelty to animals. Those are the big 4 for me. Real torture, humiliation and rape are a turn off for me, too. When I know it's fiction or fantasy it takes on a different light. Sometimes people get the wrong impression of me based on my artwork but there is a difference in what I consider art and real life.
I second this! It's one of the reasons I started making art, to indulge in the fantasy, but not see actual unconsenting people get hurt. I used to love the disclaimer page in fansadox comics where they were all hanging out, drinking coffee, talking about how they loved their work. In fact, that gives me an idea for a new picture...
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What's something that is just so bottom of the barrel, something that's just so taboo that there's no amount of money someone could pay you, no amount of liquid courage, no amount of anything that could make you want to read/watch something.
Fun thread!
Well, this isn't about being taboo but strict personal preference: I absolutely refuse to watch any of the modern Tolkien movies. Haven't seen the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, none of that (IMO) nonsense. The only exception to this rule is the Hobbit animated movie from '77.
The reason should be obvious: I read the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion back and forth during my teens (I was very deep into fantasy & D&D). Because I love the memories of those books so much I'm not going to let this get ruined by some lame action-hero producer *. I now got all the books on my Kindle but... time ;)
* Needs some clarification: while there is definitely some kind of action happening in the books the whole point here is that Tolkien focussed much more on the story, the surroundings, the happenings, the interaction between characters and of course the tale of Middle Earth itself. Heck... it's for a good reason why The Hobbit is also known as "There, and back again", a title almost hinting at nothing really happening but a journey of some sorts. So yeah... if I then see movie scenes featuring all sorts of action scenes using grotesk sceneries then... I'm switching off the TV :P
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The reason should be obvious: I read the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion back and forth during my teens (I was very deep into fantasy & D&D). Because I love the memories of those books so much I'm not going to let this get ruined by some lame action-hero producer *. I now got all the books on my Kindle but... time ;)
I can understand that. My mom started reading them when she was 12, and has read the full series every year since. That was fifty years ago. Still has a copy of the original edition of The Silmarillion, complete with pullout map. I've pretty much done the same. When the movies came out we were excited. Bought tickets for the opening day midnight show each year back when that was just starting to be a thing. We enjoyed them for the most part. They did ramp up the action though. And the gasp of anger and horror in the audience when Faramir said "The ring WILL go to Gondor." was deafening. Especially since he's my favorite character. Hated the hobbit movies. Still haven't seen the last one.
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Originally Posted by: davo
Scat, pedo, guro (as in literally "fucking" guts and dead bodies and entrails) and cruelty to animals. Those are the big 4 for me. Real torture, humiliation and rape are a turn off for me, too. When I know it's fiction or fantasy it takes on a different light.
I find myself agreeing with these statements. However, I also find that I'm okay with "consensual", playful torture and humiliation in both the real and fantasy world. In the fantasy world and only in the fantasy world my imagination can get a bit dark and I'm okay with that. ""Woman in Peril" and even rape in the fantasy world are things that my imagination plays with in kind of a weird way. I can imagine being the villain in some situations, the victim in others, and also the hero who turns the tables on the villain. In the real world I'd like to bury rapists under the prison. One of the things my imagination enjoys is old pulp magazine and book covers depicting woman in peril, but not necessarily showing the results of the peril. Does that make sense...
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Originally Posted by: ZenMaster3D
Fun thread!
Well, this isn't about being taboo but strict personal preference: I absolutely refuse to watch any of the modern Tolkien movies.
Had to reply here...!
On the "Hobbit" movie - yeah - it's BLOATED - reminds me of a classic Phil Foglio joke in his "What's new with Phil and Dixie" strip in Dragon Magazine from way back. At a fantasy convention full of fun, nerditry, mayhem - in short a room full of gags - there was a man getting an award for best miniature painting.
"So, here's the award for Giant Rampaging Ogre. If you don't mind, what's your secret?" -
"multiple layers of paint" -
"How many?" -
"1736..." -
"WHat!?" -
"Uh, it started out as a Halfling (D&Ds Hobbit) I think the original is somewhere in the left knee..."
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As a 3DCG, fantasy and fantastic film enthusiast I can appreciate the modern LOTR - but the Hobbit should have been made into a neat, sweet story. AND they should have kept the song that South Park ruined, who cares...
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"The Mind is it's own world and through it one can make Heaven a Hell and Hell Heaven..."
-Lucifer from "Paradise Lost"
I really like this quote, though I don't know what Paradise Lost is. A quick Google search would solve that I'm sure.
Hint "Tubgirl" (you probably don't want to search if you don't know, ye be warned...) - The picture, brought to me by the now gone "Rotten" website in early WWW days was funny not so much for showing stuff hard to find in ANY USA porn (though within TOS here if labels are clicked...) but that it was from Japan so there was pixels over the model's orifice openings. Her cunt and anus. Their country, their rules - even though TOS issues are just "Yeah, so?" there they have rules on directly showing the openings, tip of dick. So despite the subject of the picture the only "Decency" issue was creatively (and pointlessly) censoring the opening even though ask for it in a filthy porn shop in the USA they'd toss you out... "How VeLY wize or Ohliental Fliends! THey Ahrow nothing indecent! Yah!" - and that last statement was cultural not racial, they have huge chunks of humor on how Americans/Europeans even other Asians mess up their native language... Oh, and a TOS issue NOT involving 3DCG or their 2D drawn artwork but real people was only made (weakly) illegal in the late 90s even... Hey, Japan is why tentacle hentai and internal shots are so popular - though the USA had good cinematic creature sex before "Demon Beast Invasion" - Galaxy of Terror, Xtro...and every other PulpScifi thing hinted at it way before they could show it.
I don't think I've seen that video. Thoughi if it's anything like 2G1C, I wont't watch it for the sake of the food I just ate. BUT! I do 100% agree with you that it's Japan that made hentai so popular over here in the states. It's become so ingrained into everyday content that I don't think the US could function the same without. Even celebrities watch it and admit that they thoroughly enjoy it (though I'm not sure is Samuel Jackson just said that for dramatic effect, but he did mention it).
But food play is kind of weird, won't lie. I don't think I've ever seen food as being sensual or sexual. Sure, pouring chocolate across the chest and things in modern porno's might be common, but to me, it's almost irritating. Like the actual act of sex is already so messy. Why would you then add food?!?!?! But thank you for sharing that, it's a interesting topic to discuss I think. I'm gonna do a bit of research on it later, but I would love to understand the psychology behind sexual reservations and fetishes. It twas a field that I considered going to college for at one point.
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Originally Posted by: Bumper2 Can I just mention the fact that you ask amazing questions regularly here? I love that so much.
As for me? I have a few hard limits and things I really don't enjoy. I'm not a fan of either scat or dolcette, and won't make images based on that. I also don't like to do true gore. Pain and torture? Yes. But ask me to chop off a limb or a head and I'll just say no.
Thank you! I really do love discussion about anything, and sometimes the forums just look so quiet that I just gotta say something. But I do enjoy talking to people about topics that make them think. In a community like this, I know that I'll get some really cool thoughts on questions/topics that I post.
Scat has never been something that I've been into. It's just a big no. Even in the BDSM community, there's a lot of things that I've seen that people enjoy that I can't get behind. Breath play and water play among other things will never be in my list of "must do before I die". Scat is on that list, cause again, germs. The other one though, I had to look up what that means. I've never found it to be arousing in any way, but the horror aspect to it has always pleased me. It's just satisfying to watch, like people that watch the Final Destination series or the Saw series. No one's really there for the plot, people just want to see people die.
Yet another great topic for psychology - why are people so addicted to seeing other humans die?
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Originally Posted by: davo
Scat, pedo, guro (as in literally "fucking" guts and dead bodies and entrails) and cruelty to animals. Those are the big 4 for me. Real torture, humiliation and rape are a turn off for me, too. When I know it's fiction or fantasy it takes on a different light. Sometimes people get the wrong impression of me based on my artwork but there is a difference in what I consider art and real life.
Scat is just so, ugh. Not to say that I'm kink shaming anyone or any group of people who enjoy it. It's their life and life is a lot shorter than most think. But it's just something that I could never get behind, pun intended. To me, it's just so wrong on so many levels. In terms of fiction though, it makes it seem more real to me because it bothers me. Like I'll read a horror fiction and if it's in there, I'm shaking and grossed out. But I'm even more intriguied to read it cause most people won't put in there cause of how gross it is. They saw the challenge and pulled the "Challenge Accepted" meme from their back pocket.
Pedo will never be ok, it's just not. It's wrong on all levels and I feel like people who say that "it's ok" or " they can't help it" are also quite wrong and need all kinds of help. (Yes, I'm talking about all those Minor attracted people and all their supporters - it's not ok and you need a more than a bit of help). This also goes for animal cruelty. They're just so innocent and to take that trust and innocence and abuse it that way just makes my stomach boil.
I've seen the guro you're talking about on various hentai sites, and it's certainly interesting. I saw it when I was on a tangent of just browsing the darker side of hentai and was pretty dumbfounded when I saw it. "Do people seriously get off to this?!" These type thoughts were running through my mind, but again, I'd understand a bit more had I gone to college for this.
Lastly, I understand what you're saying completely! I always hoped that adults would udnerstand the difference between reality and fiction and that you can like one thing without being a "bad person" or some other term that I can't think of. But it happens all the time and it's just ridiculous.
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Originally Posted by: Gwen69
When I know, or when I think I know, the people involved are not free to do what they do.
There are stuffs I dislikes, even a lot sometimes, but the only things that are "really rock bottom" to me, are those that don't respect the will of the involved people.
And if I think it is the case, I'm hurt. Deeply.
Gwen69
Absolutely! Like mentioned with davo, there is a distinct difference between fiction and real life. No matter what book stephen king style book or doom level video game I'm playing, I wouldn't hope for those types of things to happen to real people that don't want it. There's a limit and some people don't understand that. Thank you for your input!
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Fun thread!
Well, this isn't about being taboo but strict personal preference: I absolutely refuse to watch any of the modern Tolkien movies. Haven't seen the Hobbit, Lord of the Rings, none of that (IMO) nonsense. The only exception to this rule is the Hobbit animated movie from '77.
Glad you like it! I really enjoy engaging fellow peeps into deep discussions, hearing (reading) the input from people from around the wold and all walks of life read better than any book could.
Although, I did have to look up who that guy was, cause I was as clueless as could be (I live under a rock, forgive me). I haven't really watched any of the LOTR movies. I think I bought one of the games as a child cause Harry Potter was big and I wanted something that was kind of similar. Couldn't locate a PS2 game that was Harry Potter so I bought what I thought was the next best thing. Money not well spent, lol.
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Originally Posted by: Ebonix115 <p>I've never found it to be arousing in any way, but the horror aspect to it has always pleased me. It's just satisfying to watch, like people that watch the Final Destination series or the Saw series. No one's really there for the plot, people just want to see people die.</p><br /> <p> Yet another great topic for psychology - why are people so addicted to seeing other humans die? </p><br /> I never cared for the Saw movies, to me it's just torture porn without a good story. I DID like some of the Final Destinations, primarily because of the interesting ways they died. I think seeing people die in fiction is fulfilling for two reasons: it serves as both an acknowledgement of our own mortality and as an outlet for the knowledge of the chaos that is life. You can never know how it when you'll punch your ticket so you look to others punching theirs as a release. I'm probably wrong, but that's the way I see it. I can understand most fetishes and kinks, even if I don't indulge in them (side note: pedo is not fetish OR kink, just plain wrong). From what I've been told and understand, dolcette and gore are akin to permanent control and permanent release. They are the true alpha and omega because there's no coming back from it. You have to commit fully. In that way you can be free, full sub and Dom space. Once again, I'm probably wrong.
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I'm extremely non-confrontational, it makes me very embarrassed and I'll do anything to avoid it. I can't even stand watching it on sitcoms or tv or movies. I hate the look of "being caught" and the embarrassment involved. I also hate feeling like I hurt other peoples feelings or doing something that caused someone harm and it damn near broke my heart the first time I said something that caused my girlfriend to cry. I didn't hurt her feelings, I just said something in conversation that brought up a bad memory for her or touched her in such a way she started to cry. I just wanted to shrink and not exist anymore and to this day years later I'm embarrassed about it. That's the kind of person I am, so I could never actually hurt somebody and be the cause of their tears. You look at my artwork and be like "sure dude, uh huh".... But in reality, if that shit was real and I tried to snatch somebody and some chick started to cry I'd just be like "OMG IM SORRY! IM SORRY!.. NYAAAA!".. lol. Like I said before, there is a very clear line between fantasy art and real life for me. Now that I've said that, if I'm ever in court accused of something, y'all better come back me up, lol.
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Originally Posted by: davo ...if that shit was real and I tried to snatch somebody and some chick started to cry I'd just be like "OMG IM SORRY! IM SORRY!.. NYAAAA!".. lol. Like I said before, there is a very clear line between fantasy art and real life for me. Now that I've said that, if I'm ever in court accused of something, y'all better come back me up, lol.
I feel that. I was doing a CNC scene once with my girlfriend for the first time and in the middle she started bawling. I immediately called Red and stopped it. During a aftercare she asked why I stopped. Apparently she was enjoying it, but I thought I'd triggered something. I felt so bad, thinking of hurt her, that I couldn't continue. It was months before she suggested we try again. Consider yourself backed up in court from me!
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I suppose I knew where this thread was leading but... yeah, I limited this to my own personal space in my previous comment because... yeah ;)
Originally Posted by: davo
That's the kind of person I am, so I could never actually hurt somebody and be the cause of their tears. You look at my artwork and be like "sure dude, uh huh".... But in reality,
In reality it takes one to know one. And well... I love your stuff, grabbed many, studied many (I suppose I shouldn't because it only resulted in me grabbing more! 😁) and I also took an interest in some of the artwork you used with some of your products. Honestly? I never got the impression from you that you're the bullying type of person. Of course, in the end that doesn't mean all that much I suppose (context is always a thing) but then again....
I also enjoy sharing somewhat brutal / explicit renders and IMO I kinda crossed my own line with some of them. They were kinda arousing in their own right but I'm not planning on touching those areas ever again.
^ That was a reply... so the rest is a general comment down there v ;)
Difficult subject if we're going into the erotics areas but ... oh well.
I think one of the most important aspects when it comes to the enjoyment of "explicit" stuff is to always check your own moral compass. At least that's what worked for me. When I was a kid I enjoyed cartoons, and Inspector Gadget was one of the things I saw. As some of you might know this involved the clumsy 'bionic' (?) inspector who imagined himself to be a crime fighter while it was actually his blond haired two-ponied niece who did the actual investigating. I was around 12 (I think) when I first saw this and omg, she was hot! In my believe at that time. In the original series this often landed her into "problems" with the bad guys and... errr, yah, at that time severely arousing situations for me.
Honestly: around the age of 16 - 17, when I became more aware, this whole thing scared me to hell and back. 'Gadget' wasn't on the telli for years at that time but the thought grew on me that I was (at one time anyway) heavily attracted to some animated toddler girl and got off when she was in mortal danger (needless to say: at this time I never shared with anyone).
So.. when I moved out from my parents place I took a "test". YouTube became a thing and these scenes which were heavily arousing to me back then didn't mean anything in general. So I watched the series again, years later, and much to my relief (I know how weird this may sound) I didn't feel anything anymore. It was just a cartoon, nothing sexually arousing in there at all. And for the record: at this time I hadn't watched the whole thing for years, also because I kinda grew out of it. Felt like sharing.
But yeah... Davo did kinda sum it up, also for me. The bottom of the erotic barrel for me is definitely pedo, actual sexual violence and of course mutilation ("horror").
Seriously, I never could understand how some people imagined horror movies to be arousing. I'm not judging here, each to their own (seriously!), but for me ... as soon as blood shows up then my enjoyment is gone (in that specific area at anyway, I don't mind horror movies ;)).
And all of a sudden the thread became difficult for me ;) Loving it either way.
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My 2 cents …
Erotic artwork, especially CG work, is about creating a fantasy story/world that is not real. That’s why so many works feature monsters, fairies and the like. Good work, IMO, depicts melodramatic elements – a heroine in a perilous predicament with death or dismemberment imminent (“I can’t pay the rent!”), a fantasy villain (Nazis, interrogators, evil inquisitors, kidnappers, etc) overlooking or responsible for the peril (“You must pay the rent!”), and maybe a hero who promises to save the heroine (“I’ll pay the rent.”). It’s why Dolcette images and men’s adventure magazine covers are so popular. It’s also why prop sets, like those marketed by Davo, are so popular.
Lighting, backgrounds, facial expressions, erotic/skimpy garb, impossible female and male figures with exaggerated features, and extreme poses all play a role in creating a good erotic image. CG software like Poser and DAZ make creating such images within reach of a mass market. Pin-up poses of models with no background simply display the shapes of a model, in the end, are pretty boring. Edited by user Monday, December 6, 2021 8:01:47 PM(UTC)
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