Renderotica

I got very good news today.  i have received funds that will allow me to return to the Poser Fold!  Seriously, I am getting a small inheritance and my first purchase will be a version of Poser!  I have been trying to use Daz Studio for some time now and while I like some aspects to it, the dislikes are far more numerous.  I could see how someone who is al

ot more serious about 'art' would enjoy Daz.  It has just way too many options and layouts for me.

Top things that I don't like about Daz Studio:

One, is the layout.  To me it is overly complex, trying to do or show too many things at once.  I know that I can go a simple layout and I did, but it is still chunky.  I have to go back and forth from window to window to get simple things done.

Two, is the library system.  I find it hard to use, especially finding things.  I don't know if it is just me, but I am always having things hide or simply disappear from my library, forcing me to either reload or spend time trying to find the item.

Three, I am not fond of the way the material are listed.  I find it sometimes hard to get the right material on the right object.  Even worse is when a material doesn't load that I can tell.

Four, When rendering, most of the Genesis figures end up with a very very shiny skin.  I have yet to figure this one out, because I can redo it without changing anything and everything looks great, then when I want to do the final render, things go all shiny again.

Five, The lights in Studio drive me bonkers.  I have found only two light sets that I can use and get a decent render.  Both of them are for Poser.  None of the lights for Studio seem to work right no matter how much I play with them.

Six, Memory, Studio is a memory hog on my computer.  I do remember that Poser was nearly as bad when it came to using up space on my hard drive.  Studio takes it to a whole another level though.  I have a small hard drive and make it work, but what really screws me up is that if I do a render or than a simple view port render, I can count on it taking not just minutes but hours and hours.  Most of the time, my computer simply freezes up sometime during the process and I have reboot.

I have others, but then I think that you get the idea.  Do not get me wrong, I do like studio in some ways and I think that for the price and what I had to work with it did do a nice job.  But it isn't Poser.  I have had every version of Poser from 1 to 9 and that might be the difference.  IT is what I am used to and what I learned on.  

Butch

Well I have a question. Why is it that Poser users ALWAYS start these type of threads then get upset when they go south?

How about NOT doing them in the first place? Sounds like the mature thing to do. 

I prefer Poser.

Meipe's products alone make me want to JUMP to DAZ - but -

1 - getting objects, characters to work.  I can load/move characters but morphs don't work.  Unused to manual load texture.

2 - the UI/lighting

3 - current computer already overburdened with apps unable to get better central HDD at launch

4 - Legacy issues - they were ripping off Poser and were "Anti-Sex".  IMO if no Poser competition they'd do an internal lockdown likely using Renderotica as a 'bad example' (even before jumping to ...Japanese sites...#1 TOS issue DAZ has Poser SO overrepresented....) and put in anti-3rd party 'rights management' software.  What WILL they do if Poser does go bust?

So - as it is for now I'll keep Poser - might upgrade it again - and try to manage some more time for a Blender tutorial session.  Unlike when I started I can create my own 3D objects and draw FAR better.  Poser for now is good for I can mimic 80s - 90s Penthouse, Grindhouse Moives, B-Sci-Fi movies - and use base figures to help as drawing references which btw is Poser's original intention.  It's really funny, only Macromedia Flash is (well WAS, R.I.P.) a more mis-used/differently used piece of software...

I'm only posting this to say Welcome back Butch.

it's great when any artist can gear back up and start rendering.  I have not heard anything good or bad about "R"'s Poser 12  but they might still support P11 as well since they bought the rights to that.  But I just want to add that if you still have library textures from the past,  they will not come out well using the superfly rendering engine so just go with firefly's rendering engine.   New Textures offer both version but I had so many base textures using original firefly and that's why I'm stuck on Pro 2014. even though I have P-11

Please if you use DAZ, leave this thread alone as most of us know the DS has great features and we do not need to be reminded again and again.. You've made your points in other threads '

Thanks Shadoman 

Welcome Back Butch

If you haven't pulled the trigger on the purchase yet, I'll offer a warning that may or might not be of use to you. Poser 12 has been updated to a newer version of Python. The bad part of this from what I've heard is the Python upgrade breaks a lot of legacy scripts and as some old vendors have left the community you may find yourself locked out of using a script you used to rely on, just a warning. Of course this can and does happen with any programs including Daz Studio, just offering as a heads up that you may find your old scripts won't work in Poser 12.

However as currently both Poser 11 and 12 are available if you have need of older scripts you could grab Poser 11.

Really, you know this argument goes on and on and on, When I worked studio, I mean CGI Studio, not Daz Studio, When I was using Max3d, all the Lightwave guys and women, were bashing Max, and yes all the Max guys and women, were bashing Lightwave. And on and on it goes. Ok really who cares what software you use, or how advanced it is over another, or how cheap it is.

One thing I learned in my studio days was simple, It does not matter what software you used to achieve your goal, your goal was reached and you produced something that someone liked and what another may not of liked as much, I know for a fact that the studio I worked for one person made the model in one program, the rigger used another program, and I used a different program to create my part. when all is said and done, it matters not. Just the end results, like my brothers who are both traditional artists, always look at the result of the labour that created either in their eyes a masterpiece or just a piece of art it does not matter because they enjoyed the journey.

So let us play nice together or I will turn this bus around........

Edited by user Sunday, October 10, 2021 1:44:58 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Originally Posted by: RangerRabbit

I've been asked to look at this thread from a management perspective to decide whether any of the TOS or Community Policies have been breached and although the tone of the arguments from both camps (Poser & Daz) have gotten "accusatory" or "defensive", I see that none of the Community Policies around Member conduct have been breached at this point. The rules that I am speaking of can be found in the Community Policy and I was looking specifically at these.

• No Personal attacks on past or current members
• No messages that could be construed as threatening, libelous, or defamatory

Let me remind you that we have vendors who create products in both Daz and Poser, we have members who use Daz or Poser and all of these members are important to Renderotica and it's parent company, CGBytes.  Keep the discussion civil, state facts and don't make anything personal. Both the Content Moderator and I will be watching this discussion thread.

Thank you. I genuinely don't understand why anyone would care what software someone else uses, or why someone would get 'defensive' or 'offended' if someone else says that they prefer brand X over brand Y. It's like the Coke vs Pepsi debate. Both will rot your teeth. At the end of the day, whether I've wiled away hours in Studio or Poser, I've probably wasted my time, but I had a good time doing it! That's the whole point of a hobby: waste time in a pleasurable manner. 

Originally Posted by: shadoman

 

Would management ever consider a forum section devoted for Poser Users?   Most of the forums deal with DAZ items sold in the store. But a Section in the forums devoted to Poser users would be a place were we could discuss the software we use.

A suggestion Mind you 

regards Shadoman  

There's already a software forum here for any questions and the last Poser question had an update 7 months ago. If the reason for the request is to have a safe place where a group of users can say anything unchallenged, would that be fair to the others that haven't asked for the same or create the type of threads that end up getting locked due to fights and misinformation?  This forum is supposed to be for ALL people that create and like erotic art, I don't think making cliques from groups of users would be beneficial. There are other places that have those forums (unless a person got banned from the site) but even then those types of threads get shut down fairly quickly, even without DS users intervention.