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There is no doubt that Smith Micro dropped the ball in many places and while updates did improve overall features,  they never focused on a good base figure no matter what the outside vendors did with morphs and textures.  For the R site La Femme seems likes a better fit even though she has major flaws and as of date no one wants to improve on her gens.  One has to Remember is that (if Memory serves me right) the R site is based in Utah.  A Mormon State and that in part could be why genital reform could be a No No.

However if any place could FIX her Gen Package it would be THIS SITE. We have qualified Vendors here who could do it if they set their sights on it..  Not to mention some money to be made is it intergrated well with La Femme anatomy.  Just a thought.

The era of Smith Micro is over with. and that is 3 different product lines I have used that they have dropped the ball on. 

As I said in other posts for the few years I have left I will use Poser pro 2014 and rely on my Postwork skills to do the best with what I have.  

Have to go....  got a dozen renders I need to get done 

regards  Shadoman  As stated below this post I was in error on something in regards to the R site and La Femme Gens

Edited by user Friday, July 30, 2021 6:44:46 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Originally Posted by: BrotherHades

Originally Posted by: shadoman

One has to Remember is that (if Memory serves me right) the R site is based in Utah.  A Mormon State and that in part could be why genital reform could be a No No.

 

Daz is based out of Utah, Bondware and it's subsidiaries (R included) are based out of Tennessee. Murfreesboro if I remember correctly. 

 

I think the Vendors over there have never been the best when it comes to gens products and sadly none of the vendors here seem to want to tackle improving LaFemme either, not sure if it is due to Poser's lack of features (Specifically geo-grafting) or what, but I think after the amount of time that has passed since LaFemme released it is clear no one wants to take the the time and give her a decent genital option.

Got DAZ and R mixed up...  as far as locations ,  My bad..  it was DAZ who shyed away for gens for Vicky  But Mikey would not be complete without them...  I have not been to DAZ's showroom in years do they still shy away from gen packages??

Thanks for setting me straight

Shado

Originally Posted by: shadoman

I have not been to DAZ's showroom in years do they still shy away from gen packages??

No, the character bundles include genitals. Actually G8.1 now includes female and male Anatomical Elements for each gender.

They are my favorite option for nude characters. But something sexual beyond that is like expecting pornographic movies on Netflix. It's not its purpose.

DAZ STUDIO USER SINCE 2006

Originally Posted by: shadoman

Originally Posted by: BrotherHades

Originally Posted by: shadoman

One has to Remember is that (if Memory serves me right) the R site is based in Utah.  A Mormon State and that in part could be why genital reform could be a No No.

 

Daz is based out of Utah, Bondware and it's subsidiaries (R included) are based out of Tennessee. Murfreesboro if I remember correctly. 

 

I think the Vendors over there have never been the best when it comes to gens products and sadly none of the vendors here seem to want to tackle improving LaFemme either, not sure if it is due to Poser's lack of features (Specifically geo-grafting) or what, but I think after the amount of time that has passed since LaFemme released it is clear no one wants to take the the time and give her a decent genital option.

 

Got DAZ and R mixed up...  as far as locations ,  My bad..  it was DAZ who shyed away for gens for Vicky  But Mikey would not be complete without them...  I have not been to DAZ's showroom in years do they still shy away from gen packages??

Thanks for setting me straight

Shado

No problem. Main reason I know where R is located is I moved to Tennessee in 2008 and since R's offices were in state, I started having to pay 10% sales tax on anything bought there (This was still when the physical nexus law from mail order days was being applied to web sales) and found out they were a Nashville based business, then they moved to The 'Boro (local abbreviation for Murfreesboro) a few years ago. 

As Matt and Hellboy have pointed out Daz includes the Gens (Anatomical Elements is the term they have been using for a while) with the Pro Bundles (Though they have recently stopped calling them Pro Bundles, and have gone to using themes for the bundles) I'm wanting to say the first inclusion for the female Gens as a separate conforming figure or geo graft was Genesis (Though I can't recall if you got both genital models with the pro bundle or just the one for the Named character in the bundle, since Genesis was a genderless base figure) but sadly the Daz Gens whether male or female lack all but the most basic of morphs and functionality, there are some vendors here that have added functionality to the Daz Gens via morph expansions. Though there are some artists where the Daz Gens are more than enough for their needs, and a lot more that don't even seem to use the gens options. Whether due to rendering fully clothed figures only or personal choice. 

Originally Posted by: shadoman

Have you seen some of the euro series on netflix?   I was watching something called the Legend of El Cid. Think it was filmed and produced in Spin.  Full frontal nudity, male and females,  now the sex scenes may not include insertion shots but the sex is a tad steamy or hard R.. 

Yeah, but still it's not porn for a reason. You could also do full frontals and steamy sex with the default genitals.

Originally Posted by: BrotherHades

I'm wanting to say the first inclusion for the female Gens as a separate conforming figure or geo graft was Genesis (Though I can't recall if you got both genital models with the pro bundle or just the one for the Named character in the bundle, since Genesis was a genderless base figure)

You got male or female genitals depending on the gender of the character. Genesis 8.1 is when they started including both. I think some vendors are starting to support both with their characters, which is good for people rendering trans characters or when using a texture regardless of base.

DAZ STUDIO USER SINCE 2006

Originally Posted by: contedesfees

Please don't imagine that I am suggesting that something is wrong with those who use Poser and stick to it because of their financial commitment. I intended no such thing. I merely wished to broadcast that the behaviour had caught the attention of economists and that they had derived a term to describe it. Admittedly, "fallacy" seems a pejorative term, which is unfortunate because nothing was further from my mind.
Carry on with whatever makes you happy! Everybody! Take a valium.

I'm not mad. 

These days there's too much partisan garbage, fake politics, etc.  And I can live if someone isn't 100% exaclty me in every way and belief and not crusade to murder them.  Like "Live and let live"..

(I particularly dislike "Social Justice" or "Woke" and mainly because I'm an older "liberal" and see it as a crazy clown world parody)

Truly I've thought about the 'sunk-cost' thing - that Poser shot itself in the foot with 'new' figures while DAZ innovated more and built on taking their fire.  Next computer, next year I might - but I'm pretty good with 3DCG now so can construct about anything I need as props - I'll probably be through the Blender curve by then if Poser doesn't pull its act together.  I've already seen some Blender people do wonderful stuff -yes with rapidly making 100% original human figures and animating them.  Japanese sites though and it'd run into TOS big time here - btw what I'm obviously talking about DAZ has the lead on too.  Glad I legit like voluptuous big boobed ladies or I would kick myself.

Again with me it's "Resources I have" - namely a bunch of figures, lots of props - I know the software - have halfway decent rendering - AND I can make new props (Zbrush/Hexagon) and I can post-work edit - Affinity software by Serif saving tons of render time or items that would be pointless...  Can do 70s Grindhouse, 70s -90s High quality porn, Decent B-Movie Sci-Fi.  Don't need STERILE hyper-real settings even though I'd get better with DAZ for pure porn..  Some of Meipe's stuff (boobs, horse cock on cunt, recent mermaid) or new Dickson Dick I'd buy in a second if I could get them to work though!

Originally Posted by: matt

However, and this is all conjecture, I wonder if Smith Micro had a hand in that? I'm sure that Daz had been spending some time on tech like grafts, the main reason that I switched, and SM said that they weren't interested in spending the development money and time on integrating them into Poser? Again, conjecture, just armchair quarterbacking on my part, but the thought has crossed my mind more than once. Did Daz approach SM with the idea of implementing grafts into Poser? I seriously doubt we'll ever know, but we all know how it ended up. 

They had a big hand in it. DAZ **DID** work with SM to get genesis running natively in Poser. DAZ was flying out to their headquarters to work with them at their expense to help them out. There was a version of Poser that ran Genesis. Then SM went radio silent and a month after Genesis was released, the latest version of Poser was released without Genesis support and SM gave the line of not wanting to be dependent on other's technology.  We (me being a PA) had products ready to go that had to be scrapped. And I think everyone knows the rest about the Daz vs Poser mess, but believe it was all DAZ's doing which wasn't true.

SM did approach DAZ again about putting Genesis in Poser when those sales started lagging, but then Hivewire approached SM with these ideas about one figure being used for both programs (but neglected to emphasize that the heavy lifting for making that happen fell to the vendors) and SM decided to go with that. And we saw how that panned out.

But now, it's not even worth the back and forth. That energy can be used to do what you need to with the products you have. If you can't get what you want out of a program, rather than complain about old topics and a "war" that has been raging needlessly for over a decade, either find one that does, settle for what you have, or go to another hobby. It may be a hobby, but it's one built on technology that can and should change. Mac vs PC, ATI vs Nvidia, IE vs Netscape... same battles, same outcomes... pick what's best for your need and continue on.

EDIT: But really, I don't think this topic ever had to do with "proprietary tech", or licencing... looking at SM's decisions, it's seems to have to do with funding. SM never gave Poser the funds to do what it needed to do revamp features like the cloth room or do full under-the-hood changes that could add major features to the program. So it would be easier to do what it did rather than say it couldn't afford to build Poser from the ground up to make things easier for content and their vendors.

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Originally Posted by: battlestrength

Poser's network render queue setup is easy, simple and tbh still beats DAZ hands down, funny, you thought at the beginning something that important would have been discussed. The last time I checked you had to get an external plugin, to connect multiple computers across a local network to render off the project file or use a cloud based render system.

So unless that's changed since 2020, I still think I would use 3ds Max or maya over DAZ due to the ease of network rendering. If you do one offs, then use DAZ, if you want a easy network local farm on a budget use Poser. Lots of i7 8 core systems out there going cheap now. 

Btw a iRay server costs $300 for a license for DAZ. Just saying... 

I don't think it's a very important feature to discuss, because you're talking about two different things. Last I checked Poser doesn't use GPU for networked renders so you're looking basically for a huge multiprocessor server for rendering if you're using this option... which for most users is not feasible or economical, especially if you're not doing animation. So yeah it's free in poser, but you've spent a bit for the server to set up (maybe a grand or two), and possibly another copy of poser depending on the licensing.

I mean you can spend the money for the iray server, but unless you're doing animations it's probably not worth the money. I have a Nvida 3090 and 1080TI in my PC with 64 gigs of ram. The server isn't necessary because I can crank out a big static scene in less than 7 minutes. . But If you have several high performing Nvidia cards in your machine that you want to use as a server, $275 probably isn't a bigger cost than buying a whole server... or trying to hunt down Nvidia cards given the shortage...

Originally Posted by: Hellboy

I got a 3080 because 3090 was twice as expensive. And yeah, it all takes seconds or minutes at best. Even my old 1080TI is quite fast. Probably why no one mentioned network rendering.

I want a 3090 because of the 24GB of RAM. The 3080 has barely more than my 1080i.I need POWER!!