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You may not be a sellout, depends on the situation. If all you want is money then, yes, you could be a sell out. By the way you worded your post about needing money, it seems like that maybe the case. If you are doing this because you are truly passionate about it and it brings you joy as well as other's joy, then in my opinion, no you are not a sell out. Your art is really good btw.

I hope your post isn't just for advertising reasons and that my post here doesn't fall on deaf ears, some of the info here you may find useful. Only reason I say that is that you mentioned the #MeToo movement but you obviously make money off of lewd female art which is going against the movement in my opinion which is why you are here asking if you are a sell out.

The people of this communtiy have been really kind to me and very helpful in my journey, so if any of them chime in, take note of what they say.

This will be a bit of a lengthy read but hopefully I can help you find some closure in your actions. First some thoughts of mine and a small counter to the MeToo movement but I ultimately agree with the movement so hear me out. Also, congrats on getting into 3D art. Hopefully you are no longer attending those parties and hanging out with people that degrade you, you are indeed worth more than just your looks. Some things are also worth more than money. You would be far better off going back to comic con and to hang out with guys that are obsessed about things that you don't understand lol.

I am a male but fully understand your point of view. I'm the type of guy that does not envy you going to these sexy parties you mentioned, I've never even been to a strip club lol. If you were going to places like that, no wonder you were being treated as a sexual object. Women are merchandise in those industries and they like it that way. If you dress the part and act the part, you will be treated that way as well. Still wrong to be treated that way, but that's my outside eyes looking in perspective and I don't think they have any intention on changing that, the money is too good.

I prefer committed monogamous relationships, someone I can count on and that can in turn count on me. Someone I can speak with about a past situation and feel that nostalgia with. I like having kids and an unbroken family, these views are quite old school given how relationships seem to be going these days.

I was a virgin when I met my wife at 23. I had the opportunity to have sex with a few women before her (without paying lol) but I did not want to treat women as if they were just an activity. To my surprise, most of the woman who gave me the opportunity wanted just that, to be an activity. Their thought was it's all I want, it's all you want, lets do this, no commitment. Needless to say, I did not share their sentiment. I grew up hearing that men were animals and nothing more. I learned in my late teens that woman can be more animalistic than men in some if not most cases. Some just revert back to their primal state in wanting to be with the best alpha male they can find, not caring what or who he has done, as long as they can just have a moment in time with him. I've never cheated as I disagree with the action (breakup / divorce, then fuck, not the other way around) but all the women I have dated, including my wife, have cheated or wanted another man in the time of being with me. When I ask why, they always say the same, they're not sure. The sex has been great (only in my wife's case), the company is great, I'm good with kids, I'm financially stable... the opportunity was just there so they took it.

I think this is partially to blame why men targeted by the MeToo movement have been so emotionless towards woman, what they do is wrong imo, but never the less, I believe the reason comes down to us no longer needing each other except for sex. It saves us from the heart break of having your partner of the years betray you because of a basic animal instinct.

I've also seen a very caring man, who's wife meant everything to him go off and get pregnant by another man. Then say it was his problem for working too much to support her and she needed attention, then going as far as getting child support from him for the kid they had previously and then wrecking his life. Me and him both know she only did that to cover her guilt but he is still suffering from it even today. He no longer treats woman with respect and acts like they are a commodity.

I do not see myself as attractive but my wife and those other women I guess disagree lol. My wife is the same kind of girl, she hates porn, and cannot stand the thought of just being a sexual object, even if the money were great. Yet the cheating as well as the fact she enjoys it when I treat her as a sexual object makes her feel wanted and sexy. It's kinda confusing tbh lol. I can see where that can get addicting for females as well as the money being so great for doing it.

Ok, subject change time.

I believe because of the woman I have experience with is partially why I have become a furry of sorts. It was a little difficult for for my wife to adjust when I let her know my biggest fetish / turn on is Anthromophic characters. I did that after her cheating phase because I just felt like it needed to be said and I wanted to make an adult story based on my fetish / attraction that I had conjured up. She has adjusted just as I have adjusted to her cheating on me. It not being real does help her understand even though she does not share my attraction towards my work. I'm not a fursuit kind of furry guy, I just really enjoy the look and art of the furry world. In my imagination ever since I first realized my attraction, I picture anthro's treating each other much more respectfully and lovingly than humanity does. I put what I wish was reality into my thoughts of the Anthromorphic world. It's a part of me I cannot explain but I enjoy thinking about it, it helps me get a little escapism.

I am making this story / game not for money. I do have fund raising means out there via a site that cannot be named, but I'm doing it because I am passionate about it. If people happen to support my work, that is great and it will help me develop the game faster as well as purchase much needed assets to make it even better... maybe even a sequel :O . If not, that's ok too, I just really wanna make this story. The adult actions of my game do serve a purpose other than just being fap material. It helps story telling and character development just as much as being a means for "release" for those who enjoy it.

I have ranted enough, but I'll leave you with this. Your art is great and if you think what you do is great and you seriously enjoy it, then keep at it. Men and women may find pleasure in your work and this is not a bad thing at all. When people really enjoy my work to that extent I feel glad I could help them in some small way. If you get this feeling, then you are not a sell out.

EDIT : Ok, so I've been drinking tonight lol. I may have said some irrelevant stuff but ah well. If you are worried that you are sexualizing woman, don't worry, other woman are doing that everyday whether you are or not.  Just look at Only Fans, or girls that post half nude pics on instagram just to get attention / clicks. Nothing is going to change that fact because it is our instinct. Whether it's tasteful nudity or hard core porn, it achieves the same result. Woman want to be looked at and adored it's that simple, reason why some dress the way they do. I'm the type of guy that does not pursue women, I let them make the first move to avoid anything that is unwanted (I'm speaking as if I weren't married). However, I see women dress in ways that attract men all the time, we can't help it, that is our instinct. Those who act on that instinct in a harassment viewed way are wrong from my point of view, but maybe not theirs, they may see the lewd outfit as an invitation. We cannot change the way they think because that is how they are hardwired so we just have to learn to coexist with it and in your case, avoid it if you do not like it.

As far as making money, yes it can be made. Not instantly like porn though. Look at the visual novel "Milfy City" and how much that game brings in per month. I think the key to making money off of art is to put a story with it, something viewers can connect with. If its just a picture, it could just be fap and forget.

Edited by user Saturday, May 8, 2021 3:44:16 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

I love 3D porn, consider it one of the underappreciated good things about modern life.  Still developing but is a good thing.  Use it to create the wildest, most warped and yes dark sick and would be nuclear illegal if in RL. (TOS for what you post here of course)  No one is harmed, free speech.  And if someone will say "A woman was raped because of an image showing..." - well what if a serial killer who thought he was Christian chopped up a family - "I have come with a SWORD to DIVIDE families!!!" - doubt they'd be screaming to burn the Bible the way they would porn...?

I've always loved fantasy and erotic female imagery from the moment I was a kid discovering Conan and the awesome sexy comic images of scantily clad ladies he saved then getting my first "newdibooks" and onwards.  Ah the "Golden Age" of porn - the late 70s to late 90s mostly.  Expansion in free speech, printing technology, money to pay women who did nude/sex and maintained jacked up with silicone exotic awesome bodies, hardcore going mainstream... 

But - it didn't rot my brain and turn me into Jack the Ripper...

I never treated a woman who didn't look like a porn bimbo badly or thought rape/violence IRL was ok.  I'm not going to type some long virtue signal on not being a vulgar violent monster IRL.  Just not how I'd behave.  I can read about the Mongol invasion, I'm not going to ride a horse and rape and pillage...  IMO, porn is another form of literature, art, expression and as long as legal and consenting protected free speech.  But it was a cheap-shot for moralist panderers who did nothing good for society (politicians, ministers) to pretend they were worth listening to.  Not everyone liked it but IMO Larry Flynt (RIP) wasn't holding a shotgun to anyone's head to buy his magazine - and him defending his business helped "Free Speech" a lot.  I'm sure if no Larry Flynt the 'censors' would have made things much tighter on movies, video games and re-instated a 'code' so comic books and RPGs got locked down.

Once computers got 'modern' - late 90s but really launched mid 00s it's easy to make very nice images with 3D graphics - so the 'moral' question is pulled out.  Instant, unlimited porn, awesome models, no need for studios, surgery, any 'exploitation' issues.  I can make stuff that looks like Grindhouse 70s movies or 80s, 90s porn mag pics very quickly and even though I often buy models/figures compared to ONE photoshoot in real life...  Frankly I haven't bought any new porn mags in years.  Very dry and pointless.

I can do picture sets worthy of Guccione's best (mid to late 90s) or better with top models, wild fake creatures, graphic hardcore and I'm not 'exploiting' anyone.  Pixels.  Images.  Fiction.

And, btw, I'm sorry you got exploited.

As a tangent, let me politely suggest that we all are exploited to a large extent in modern life unless very lucky.  I've worked tons of dry, boring jobs I had to prove I was overqualified for - being shouted at by customers and vicious hateful 'middle middle middle' magagers trying to pretend they weren't the real weak link in the chain, indeed giving up my dignity daily for a lousy paycheck I should have been earning much more with my education. It got to the point where I'd entertain (in my head, still acting on the level or I'd be gone in an instant) "Conspiracy Theories" that there was some kind of reptile overlord and the real function of the office was people's pain and despair they'd inhale.  A "Wage Slave", "Salaried slave", "Independant contractor who still punches the clock daily" whatever might not have to strip and fondle the Boss's willy but he's still sacrificing much more time and much more 'role-playing' for much less.  It's just one ring of hell and stress or another - nowadays the top "Computer Jobs" are in the same "modern offiices" that do have arcades, cafiterias, places to rest - but people are fired in a heartbeat for a whisper of a rumor if even that - so they grind 80+ hour weeks and DON'T eat at the caf, don't rest in the Roger Dean pod, don't play the game - just sometimes run home to the shitty apartment that's insanely expensive so they have a personal space no one can use the slightest personal expression to stab them with.

So, by all means "Exploit" the computer images you make.  You aren't hurting anyone, if 100% fictional it's legal.  TOS again, but other options for that and a neat safety valve.  If you have for real porn experience might give you an edge, as long as the end product is something someone might like to read or view or buy.

Edited by user Saturday, May 8, 2021 1:53:00 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Sumigo is quite right 

Comics should have a nice plot twist, and in some cases the victim turns the tables and comes out on top 

I enjoy those settings but some of my fans write and say in the next comic do do not let the victim win.  The delema is to make comics that appeal to everyone and mix it up so your work does not become stale. 

In my First Time Tied Comics  I make it know that this is a story about consensual bondage where rules apply and if the female says a safe word or RED all action ceases and the session is over.  I have gotten more response from women saying they read the story with thier husband or lover and it made their love life a little spicier  

I always ask for feedback and I say good or bad let me know as I have no ego to bruise.

Be yourself, explore all your options and slowly build up a fan base

well back to the renderboard 

Regards  Shadoman

I can't decide whether this posting is legit or not.  Claims to be from a CGI artist, but has no posts on this site.  Story reads like a middle aged man fantasy.  

usually by now the original poster would chime in on how all this data is a big help to them 

so we may be dealing with a jester who throws something out there and enjoys seeing us spend time supplying answers

should a posted to a forum be vetted prior to posting in the forum,  in other words a fellow artist or writer or someone who has commented on art or has been interactive in the forums..   food for thought.

shado

Let me chime in with the others, Wonderland...

You certainly are welcome to post any 3DCG erotic art you create here.  Well, check TOS/Content policy... (no kids, animals, etc.)  And aside from TOS issues it's all welcome here and we help, critique and praise each other, give advice...  Nothing to be embarrassed about - look at my gallery - pure B-Movie, Grindhouse XXX sleaze-o-rama doing what I'd do in RL (if I had a time machine and a mountain of money) to "Improve" said real genres.

So - what's holding you back?

Post!

First off, let me just say that I am pleased to see so much engagement by our members. The question and comments by the OP were certainly conversation worthy, however, I believe they may have "self-terminated" their visit here. Wonderland had been a member a number of years ago and just recently returned, but obviously didn't read the Community Policies and included site links and references in their images and was just generally advertising their own website in their profile. They got caught, had some images removed and were warned and they haven't been back since. It's really too bad because I did like their work. It would have been a nice add to the galleries but we have rules in place to help protect our artists that are using our platform legitimately to help pay some bills. Thank you all for taking a genuine interest in supporting a fellow artist. That's what this forum is truly for. It's too bad that they appeared to be just looking to advance their own agenda.  

Sutut, you asked about policies on incest. At this time we have NOT moved forward on creating any policies around incest. This is something that our legal team is watching and the rules may change but then everyone will be notified and have to re-accept the Community Policies before making a new post. So for now, there is no policy against it.

Shado, in response to your comment about vetting posts in the forum. There is no way for us to know what the intent of a person is when they have just joined the site. Who are we to make the call on what to allow and what not to allow in the forums when it comes to content? We can make rules but content is a freedom of expression. Say what you want, so long as it's not harmful to anyone else. So long as they read the Member Conduct section of the Community Policies, there should be no reason they can't post.  When our members notice someone who is blatantly advertising or spamming, they report it and we take care it. That works so long as everyone continues to help police that.