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https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/senators-introduce-bipartisan-bill-further-restricting-pornographic-content-on-the-internet.amp

If you have the time please reach out to Senator Jeff Merkley and ask him to reconsider his support for this ill-conceived legislation.

https://www.merkley.senate.gov/connect

Tech, this has nothing to do with censorship, it's about stopping "sex trafficking online" COULD it lead to more down the road, of course,  but for now this bill is aimed to stop the growing issue of abusers and traffickers recording sex crimes and uploading them to various commercial sites which they then profit from said videos...

This started out mainly when Visa / Mastercard found questionable content on PornHub, it made the news, then several vicitms of sex crimes found videos of themselves on their as well, it blew up in the media, Visa/Mastercard stopped their business with Mindgeek (parent company of Pornhub and  Pornhub responded with dumping ALL 'unverified' videos from their platform (we're talking MILLIONS of videos)

This lead to other sites like Pornhub ditching both content and even accounts where the people could not be verified as being consenting to being in the videos.

Now this bill, VERY similar to the org 2257 bill that aimed to prevent minors from appearing in/on commercial porn sites, this bill states:

"require consent forms to be uploaded for every individual appearing in the video. It would also mandate that sites hosting pornographic content prohibit video downloads, set up a 24-hour hotline for people to video removals, and require the removal of the videos within two hours of victims flagging them"

Now... guess what? the consent forms have already been a thing since 2257 went into effect (2009) except we called them "model consent"  OR "model release" forms, so your commercial porn will only have to remove the download button (let's face it, there are so many other ways to download videos the button is pretty useless)

Also much like the 2257 bill this will most likey get held back because there's a LOT of red flags and violations of privacy as the bill stands now (took a few rounds of rewrites before 2257 passed and stood.

Long story short,  this is mainly aimed at the commercial porn industry who already have a number of things in place to cover most of what this bill wants to impose, actual home-made porn such as cam girls (chaturbate, myfreecams etc) and the ever growing Only Fans sites that allows ANYONE to become a "sex worker / porn star" also already require all documentation, consent forms.  This will actually have less of an effect if it passes then you'd think.

(to end on a lighter note,  The Onion did a great little piece about all of this... PornHub To Delete All Content It Can’t Verify Is Really Between Stepson And Stepmother 

Originally Posted by: sumigo

 

Thanks for this post, it helps some of my concerns. 

 

But to the OP, it's not just Merkely on this bill, Sasse is a sponsor too.

 

No worries, there's also another bill that was 'snuck' into the Covid Relief omnibus from (R) Sen Tom Tillis that's to change the current DMCA laws, Tommy boy wants to make DMCA's a felony AND carry jail time,  it's wording is murky as usual, the common consensus is that it would put YouTubers and Twitch streamers in jeopardy of jail time if they had music or clips of TV/ Movies in their content, but the more the lawyers look over the bill the more it looks like it is actually only targeted at the pirate sites who sell access to streaming movies and TV shows,  so there's some hope at this moment.

I'm not sure if the OP's bill was also part of the Covid relief omnibus but after hearing about all the other stuff that was jammed in there I would not be surprised lol X milion dollars to study the effects of 'downed trees' in forests,  x million dollars to 'count carp' in some body of water  x million dollars to create a study for some fish hatchery, the DMCA bill I just spoke of,  and the list goes on and on and on.

The bright side is the omnibus got struck down already, mainly because of all the non Covid things 'snuck' into it,  so there's a good chance that each of these other bills will have to go through proper channels and be opened up to public scrutiny as it was with 2257 years back.

Originally Posted by: AnchorSteam

It would seem as if the JOSH HAWLEY ON THE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is going a very Puritanical route..... or it would, if they were actually going after the Predators themselves instead of using it as an excuse to clamp down even harder on the Net.

 

And the relief bill is a joke. What else can you call it when 80% is going anywhere but to the people who need it, or even into American hands? 

There I fixed it for you!

The internet is not made for children.
- children are not suppose to drink alcohol or smoking pot.
- children are not suppose to drive a truck.
- children are not suppose to buy to trade bonds
- children are not suppose to use the internet
 periode

Originally Posted by: shadoman

Originally Posted by: Masterstroke

The internet is not made for children.
- children are not suppose to drink alcohol or smoking pot.
- children are not suppose to drive a truck.
- children are not suppose to buy to trade bonds
- children are not suppose to use the internet
 periode

Children base figures should be eliminated for use in both Poser and DAZ Studio

every poser upgrade I ever purchased I quickly deleted the children and young tenn libraries and purged  the textures, poses, clothing and characters from my PC.  If they are not included, then that is one less thing that can be exploited 

Regards  Shadoman

I've spent the last hour or so debating on whether or not I should reply to this. Go take a look at the galleries at DAZ and 'rosity. There are a lot of artists there that make non-erotic, nonsexual images that use the child models. Some of their work is very good, and they should be commended for it. Should they be told that they can't do that anymore, because a few bad actors might make something nefarious with it? Absolutely not! 

That's the great thing about CGI, we can make whatever we wish, whatever floats into our head. There are factions at DAZ and 'rosity that would very happily say that the things that we use, the dick grafts, the pussy grafts, the torture and BDSM props that are available here, they should be eliminated. I'd disagree with them, on the same grounds. What we have available to us as CGI artists and hobbyists is mind blowing. We can make whatever we wish. The artists that want to make an image of a child in a sundress sniffing flowers in a field should be able to do that, and we should be able to make an image showing a woman getting railed by multiple big dicks, or getting tortured, or raped, or even killed. Our TOS doesn't prevent those things, even though some would find them objectionable. There's a lot in the gallery and even in the store here that I find objectionable, but I won't crusade to have them removed, and I'll never say that the child characters at the other stores should be removed, because there are artists that use them for work that can only be described as innocent. Should we tell them that they can't do that any longer? I'd say no, absolutely not. There are models of dogs, horses, and other animals out there. Should we advocate to have them removed because someone might make an image that goes against cultural norms, even though the vast majority of people that use them wouldn't do that? I'd say no.

I equate what we can do with Daz and Poser to a pencil and paper. We can create whatever we wish. Kids should not be in our galleries here, it's part of the TOS. That's good, that's not what we're about. Animals shouldn't be in our galleries here for the same reason. Yet, there are artists at other sites that use those models to create beautiful, nonsexual work, and I can't in good conscience say that they can't have that resource, for the same reason that I would say that we should be allowed to have the 'depraved' resources that we have here. Many artists would argue against them, and I'd tell them to go back to their knitting. What we have available to us as CGI artists and hobbyists runs the full gamut, from innocent to depraved, and it needs to stay that way, because we as artists and hobbyists also run the full gamut, innocent to depraved. Let's allow it to stay that way. 

I deleted the last two comments I made on this topic because after a bit of reflection, I thought that they delved too deeply into something that shouldn't be discussed here. 

Don't post kids here. Don't post animals here. For non erotic topics at other sites, go at it, have fun. Just...keep it out of here. That is all. :)

Originally Posted by: shadoman

Children base figures should be eliminated for use in both Poser and DAZ Studio

I understand where you are coming from... However, the strength of your statement worries me. I don't want the "Children Based Figures" removed from either Poser of DAZ Studio (Stores). I've used these figures to help create family friendly, non-porn illustrations for clients (advertising & editorial illustrations) as well as for clean personal work.

It drives me nuts when a few or even many bad actors end up destroying things for everyone else. Enforce rules against using the under age figures in unapproved ways, of course, but don't just go wild and completely do away with the figures altogether.

Again, though, I understand why you said what you said.

Originally Posted by: shadoman

Those base figures should be a paid add-on and not included with the original software. 

I'm OK with this suggestion. I've always had to purchase the child figures I've used in the creation of non-porn illustrations in any case.

Edited by user Monday, January 11, 2021 10:29:14 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

OK!!    Everyone here should be on board with not liking censorship of any kind and that includes altering original text here. and discussions about censorship HAS a place in this forum WHEN it deals with art, art products, and creative art

Please!!  Lets not bring politics into this forum and what is being removed or sanctioned in social media due to  politics, 

Yes we can discuss what Tumblr has done with blocking erotic material in their social media platform,   But current political events and how social media is involved have no place in our forums.

we do not need postings  that will incite others into a heated political discussion that has nothing to do with OUR MEDIUM and THAT Medium is RENDERED ART 

PLEASE LETS KEEP IT THAT WAY.    

In regards to my comments about child base figures.  I will finish with this.    

Not sure what Poser 12 is going for..  In the past it's been like $250 for the non upgrade price..  But if Rosity were to offer the child/teen base figures as an add-on.  Then those few bad apples might not incur the Huge startup expense in the first place

Regards  Shadoman

Originally Posted by: sumigo

So throw whatever fit you want, the reason I 'fixed' your quote was because it was gaslighting.

 

No, it isn't. The two are directly related, and here is why -

I'll be glad to help with Hawley, but I will need the address to send a hardcopy by snail mail. Don't ever bother with Email, they never bother with that and Phome calls only matter if the switchboard gets locked up.

But I need some Quid pro Qou here.

The situation is very serious and it is escalating as we speak. It isn't about Trump getting blacklisted from Social Media, its about the other 70,000 people that were purged on the same day. It is about the relentless drive to shut down ALL alternate media via defamation and political pressure. Now that Parler is gone they are trying to do the same thing to Gab, Rumble, Bitchute and sites I have never even heard of. Not only that, but the very phrase "stop the steal" has censored permanently by all the Silly-Con Valley giants that have practically Monopolized the Net. 

Thus far, the only voice from the Left to raise any concern about any of this is the ACLU.

The ONLY one.

I have been a member in good standing here for years, and I'll bet that none of you even knew I was a Trumpster until now. I advocate for Democracy and Liberty, and not just for one narrow angle of it. People who believe in Freedom used to advocate for EVERYONE's rights, not just there own, why has that changed? 

(for those that don't know; Democracy is 3 wolves and a Goat voting on what to have for Lunch, Liberty is a Goat with a gun contesting the vote)

I'll give Hawley hell, but not if it all has to be one-sided from now on. Of the 574 riots and demonstrations last year (including the one that burned down a church around the corner from the White House), how resulted in the kind of digital witch-hunt you see going on right now?

All I am asking for is a little fairness, or some sign that my own concerns mean anything at all to anyone at all.

..... and yes, if I had a platform to say this anywhere else, I probably would not be bothering you with this. It is literally that bad. I also know I might be banned for saying so here, but it's more important to me to get the word out. 

Make of that what you will.