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Originally Posted by: SnarltheWerewolf

To your point, Shadoman and Protocol Zero, it's really the people that are doing nothing or acting like "it's nothing" that's doing the most damage.

It's infuriating that you see so many people not taking it seriously, going to parks and Mardi Gras and Spring Break with the mindset of "I'm fine!" and then they come down with it and then they were spreading it around for god knows how long and some poor old lady going to the drug store to get her meds no has Covid19 because some 20 year old needs to go drinking /smh

Also, big shout out to all the people having to work. Be you government employees, store workers, doctors, nurses, delivery people. You all are really the heroes during this.

My point was that the younger generations think nothing about this virus  They will pass it along to someone who cannot bonce back before they are told they have the Virus and stay home.but by then they will have infected hundred.. 

Two weeks ago I saw footage of San Diegans, mostly young people, out on our beaches enjoying the sun when just days before there was a standing order to stay home.   Now the beaches are closed, the Parking lots along the the beaches as well and a $1000 fine being enforced with non compliance. In our city we are moving the homeless into shelters, Homeless families into motels and Our convention Center is now ready to accept 2500 patients if there is an overflow  We have had several deaths and about a 1000 are being treated in local hospitals.. So far we are holding our own.. but only because out Mayor took the State Governors call to action one step forward and we have daily briefings on the state of our city every afternoon.

If any of our viewers has someone On the front lines fighting this virus tell then they are our Hero's and to keep up the good fight, despite the shortage of masks and gowns

Stay safe and well

Shadoman

Well, when the virus started to hit, the POTUS claimed that it would be nothing, just a little flu and that it would die out quickly.
Trouble is, denial isn't just a river in Egypt. Don't forget it, friends and neighbors: viruses are on top of the food chain, not us.

Some interesting conversation. I find it unfathomable that anyone could praise the Governor of California for virtually anything. His decision making paradigms are pretty much full goose bozo. I lived in CA in the 70's for a couple of years. I've lived in several states, from one end of the US to the other and there is nothing that would convince me to move back to CA other than a total repeal and repudiation of, gosh, just about every single law and regulation that's been enacted in the last two or three decades. 

Expecting young people, for the most part, to act with foresight prudence and even a modicum of intelligence is only a little more foolish than expecting it of the aged, who seem to have been behaving similarly for the most part. The old folks just don't get stoned on the beach, most of 'em anyway. 

Yes, people will die. Yes, it is sad when people die. Just when and how are we to be stricken with grief? Around 250 - 440,000 shuffle off this mortal coil from medical "errors". Here are some more numbers. I'm pretty certain auto accidents are lumped into "Accidents". 

• Heart disease: 647,457
• Cancer: 599,108
• Accidents (unintentional injuries): 169,936
• Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 160,201
• Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 146,383
• Alzheimer’s disease: 121,404
• Diabetes: 83,564
• Influenza and pneumonia: 55,672
• Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 50,633
• Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,173

So, that's a lot right? I'm sad, in theory, for all of those dead people. The vast majority of whom I didn't know. I don't lack sympathy or empathy but I have a sense of perspective. That is a lot of dead people and it didn't provoke anyone into buying massive amounts of toilet paper and laying off thrree quarters of a million people (so far). So perhaps when all is said and done the response may be found to be a little drastic maybe?

And what is with blaming Trump? Did you follow the progression of the virus as it started in Wuhan? I did. The progression of responses as it spread? I did. The disinformation from not just China but from WHO, who by all accounts are in the pockets of China (at least the head of WHO) and also downplayed the C-19 effects, along with the hardest hit EU countries Italy and Spain, who are big trading partners with China and did little to nothing to stop the spread until far too late? Yet somehow it's all Trumps fault. Did he engineer the virus too? I thought he was an idiot? Which is it?

Also, viruses are not the top of the food chain. Their reproductive strategy is self defeating. Good parasites don't kill their hosts.

Wow! Great posts and rebuttals..

OK then  MY Turn.... Not talking about California in the past but NOW!

Our Governor jumped upon stay and place long before our slightly lucid President did. Yes Trump did not create the Virus but he did not hamper it's infection rate..  California has the most population in the country,  but because of the steps we took as a state, weeks ahead of what was done via the white House, we have far less the infection rate of NEW York City, let alone the whole state and they have a population some 15 million less than we do. 

and does anybody find it funny that the place where all this happened, is now letting their subjects socialize in public and letting them gather is HUGE crowds..  What.... they found a Vaccine and not sharing right now? 

Yes California has pollution, but right now  much less of it as we are staying home and not driving our vehicles.  we may have high Cancer rates and heart related illnesses,  but what we do not have is a high rate of Covid19  Illnesses compared to Michigan, Luisinanna, and New York.

And I am not trashing those states who do have Covid19 related illnesses and deaths, on a whole the country is hurting and we need to do all we can to help each other and that includes getting those stockpiled masks, med, gowns and ventilators into the hands of Doctors and nurses and not just laying there is some federal warehouse.

The citizens of this country will take note of what is happening here when it comes time to elect new leaders..

Nuff Said 

Shadoman

Edited by user Monday, April 6, 2020 10:13:32 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

As Niall Ferguson put it in the NZZ [( "New Journal of Zurich" ) renowned Swiss newspaper]:

[...]

Six displeasing (but necessary) questions to Xi Jinping

1.)

What was the initial reason for the outbreak of SARS-COV-19?
If the virus indeed stems from a "wet market" (where the consumption of wildlife meat is being offered), which the Chinese regime inexplicably had not closed until it was too late, then that is bad enough. However, if it turns out that reckless/negligent practices at a local agency of China's "Center for Disease Control and Prevention" have been at the core of this pandemic then that would be even worse. It is plain lunacy to research zoonoses like the Corona-virus amidst a densely populated metropolis such as Wuhan.

2.)

How big of a role did the central government play in the cover-up, following the realization that the virus can spread from human to human? We know that between December 12 and the end of that month 104 people had died. Why was it then that on December 31 China's official response was that "there was no clear evidence" for the spreading between people? And why didn't they change their stance until January 20 2020?

3.)

Why have they, after it was clear as day that Wuhan was the epicenter of a full blown epidemic that spread throughout the entire province of Hubei, cut off said province from the rest of China on Januar 23 but not the rest of the world? The Chinese new year is one of the peaks of Chinese travels to America and Europe. Various reports state that flights were leaving China heading for London, Paris, Rome, New York and San Francisco all through January and even into February. Now that Covid-19 has spread around the globe they did not waist any time limiting international traffic to China, though their response was suspiciously different when exporting the virus to us.

4.)

What was the intention of their foreign ministry's spokesperson when he went to social media outlets claiming ludicrous conspiracy theories as fact and why was that man not fired on the spot? Even the Chinese ambassador to the US denied the various claims. It should be of interest to keep an eye out for whom the regime will finally stick up for.

5.)

Where are tycoon Ren Zhiqiang and Wuhan physician Ai Fen? Only naming two Chinese citizens that have vanished since they spoke out against their government concerning its actions on the virus.

Last but not least

How many of the Chinese people have actually died because of this contagion?

[...]

(I believe there is an English version of this article in the "Sunday Times" but you'd have to pay for it, so I translated it from German)



 

Edited by user Monday, April 6, 2020 12:54:16 PM(UTC)  | Reason: grammar

Luckily, Randall Flag is not around and this doesn't have the death rate of Captain Trips although it may be as contagious.  The Woohan superflu (Covid-19) doesn't mutate like Captain Trips did so maybe we can fight it.

I am one of the lucky ones that has an essential job and have worked from home for 2 & 1/2 years so it was not such a big deal for me and the wife is on disability so while my company is cutting some hours and asking for volunteers to be furloughed, at least I have a job.

Here in the Houston /Galveston area, the virus is not so bad except we found out yesterday that there is a retirement home in Texas City that has around 80 confirmed cases.  Harris county has over 1800 cases but Galveston county has 256 cases so far.  Not great but nothing like the boibomb that hit New York.  I feel for the people up there and hope the infection dies off soon.  Everybodfy stay safe out there.

Boy, this thread is sure starting to get political.  Hope it stops before the mods kill it, it is a fun thread.  I watch the Covid-19 briefings every day on Fox (most of the other networks have stopped covering them because they feel it make the president look good).  That is nether here or there.  The situation is constantly changing and they know thing now that they did not know in January (like there is way more asymptomatic transmission than previously thought).  I wont go into specifics as I don't want to get into a flame war, but some of the statements purported to be made by the administration were specifically refuted in the press briefings.  Enough said.  Please get back to Covid-19 effects and not bashing this politician or that politician.

Originally Posted by: billyben

Boy, this thread is sure starting to get political.  Hope it stops before the mods kill it, it is a fun thread.  I watch the Covid-19 briefings every day on Fox (most of the other networks have stopped covering them because they feel it make the president look good).  That is nether here or there.  The situation is constantly changing and they know thing now that they did not know in January (like there is way more asymptomatic transmission than previously thought).  I wont go into specifics as I don't want to get into a flame war, but some of the statements purported to be made by the administration were specifically refuted in the press briefings.  Enough said.  Please get back to Covid-19 effects and not bashing this politician or that politician.

It's been pretty much political from the onset

You have a Chinese Government who lies to save face and this is not the first time. You have a dupe of a president that fails to listen to his advisors as early as Jan of this year as was posted in a clip today on MSN.

He goes to the podium everyday and never sounds really serious as if he is reading a script. One does get the feel that he really gives a dam, then he says one thing and does another. Although he did sound rather concerned about the British PM in intensive care.

I heard the clip about bidding for this and that and all I can say folks is he's a businessman from the get go  ...what did you expect.   BTW  has anyone seen the First Lady recently?? 

All I can say that with the exception of Georgia who wants to open it's beaches this week, that Most of the State Governor's got a better grip on this thing long before the presidunce (not a typo) did

With luck California may level off in the next week or two Since I am retired and staying in place unless I absolutely need to go out am feeling as well as expected for 70 years of age. Knees and hips bark and my occasional dry hack is from meds that cause dry mouth. I take my temp 3 times a day and so far I am good as well as the wife,  I have so much time I am using that time to do some new comics for this site and another.

True it's nothing like Captain Trips,  but it did ramp up quickly and many people are sick, I just hoe those on the front lines can work extraordanary miracals to prevent as many deaths as possible and keep themselves safe as well.

Stay well and safe everyone

shadoman