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#1 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 3:21:21 PM(UTC)
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Today, Renderosity announced that it has acquired Poser from Smithmicro! I always thought Smithmicro was planning to rid itself of the troublesome software. But what does the future hold for Poser and the half million devotées who use it? Has Renderosity any experience with software development? Was Smithmicro ready to abandon Poser if no buyer wanted to acquire it? Is that why Renderosity took up the challenge? And is Renderosity lining up to go head to head with DAZ3D? It was my impression that Renderosity's vendors produced as many or more products for Poser than for DAZ Studio; and Renderosity will certainly do nothing to discourage that in the future.   But has Genesis too much of a lead for Poser to catch up? A lot of Poser users switched to DAZ Studio in the last few years; can Renderosity lure them back?
Sounds like a soap opera, doesn't it?

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#2 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 5:46:13 PM(UTC)
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I would imagine they feel like they invested a lot with La Femme trying to make an original base character. They were already selling all of SM's old figures and props, might as well just own Poser. I feel like it stands a better chance as far as support goes with Rendo than SM. And as you pointed out they do have more new Poser content than anyone.

Interesting, and promising, new wrinkle for Poser users. I hope that Rendo doesn't end up being a Poser only shop. I've always enjoyed having a second option to buy daz items, not to mention a lot of Daz vendors sell the items that Daz rejects at Rendo.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 5:49:04 PM(UTC)
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Interesting   I guess we can all assume that Content Paradise will soon be toast as renderosity will do it's best to eliminate the internal link ASAP


I doubt that any software developers jump ship from smith micros unless SM was planning on letting them go  I will tell you one thing  I sure would not hire them based on thier shitty performance to create a base figure that would look nice and natuaral 


Best of luck to Renderosity  they are now more than just a thorn in DAZ's behind 


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#4 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 5:56:45 PM(UTC)
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Renderosity is now swimming with a brick, unless they come up with a real good figure system. La femme was a good step ahead, but too far from being a Genesis killer.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:10:01 PM(UTC)
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Interesting news, but Rendo's got a massive uphill battle on their hands now. Poser has steadily been in decline for years now, so Rendo's going to have to put some serious effort into not only better figures, but basically overhauling the entire program. Still, it'll be interesting to see where this goes.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:21:22 PM(UTC)
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Good bye and good riddance, Smith Micro! I wish you the best of luck not being a part of my life.


So...how many companies does that make? Five? Six?


 


 


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#7 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 6:37:06 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shadoman Go to Quoted Post


Interesting   I guess we can all assume that Content Paradise will soon be toast as renderosity will do it's best to eliminate the internal link ASAP



I'm betting that products from Content Paradise will start showing up at Renderosity. And I do wonder what's going to happen to the Poser forum at the Smith Micro web site. Some bright minds posted many thoughtful comments there. Is Renderosity going to incorporate that at their site?

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#8 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:00:20 PM(UTC)
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Renderosity actually took over Content Paradise some months back,  there was a mini press release put out from both sides


The 'official poser forums' was actually moved to Hivewire some time back headed up by Nerd3d, but damn near every market has a Poser forum inside their forums.


Renderosity already has a big Poser section in their forums.


With all that said,  I'm just gonna sit back and see what happens,  my only hope / fear is that they don't start burring Daz only content in order to put the poser stuff into the spotlight more.


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I d be happy to see those Rendo DAZ vendors here.
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#10 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:03:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Teronsuke Go to Quoted Post

my only hope / fear is that they don't start burring Daz only content in order to put the poser stuff into the spotlight more.


If you owned Poser, what would you do? (I'll be delighted to learn that I'm wrong, but I say this means war!)


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#11 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 10:57:04 PM(UTC)
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They said on the thread at Rendo that they have no intention of dropping Daz support. I would imagine the Daz market is much bigger and spend more $ than the Poser market (basing that on Daz vendors own comments about dropping poser support because there was not an increase in sales when they provide poser support on products).

I also don't think they'll drop it as Rendo does a decent business being a dumping ground for Daz products that Daz rejects from its vendors (that's been told to me by a couple of vendors)
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#12 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:36:11 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: contedesfees Go to Quoted Post


Originally Posted by: Teronsuke Go to Quoted Post

my only hope / fear is that they don't start burring Daz only content in order to put the poser stuff into the spotlight more.


If you owned Poser, what would you do? (I'll be delighted to learn that I'm wrong, but I say this means war!)



I honestly can't answer that without pissing a lot of people off lol,  so I'll just hold my tongue, but as for "war" I think it's a few years too late for that


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#13 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 11:41:39 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: SnarltheWerewolf Go to Quoted Post
They said on the thread at Rendo that they have no intention of dropping Daz support. I would imagine the Daz market is much bigger and spend more $ than the Poser market (basing that on Daz vendors own comments about dropping poser support because there was not an increase in sales when they provide poser support on products).

I also don't think they'll drop it as Rendo does a decent business being a dumping ground for Daz products that Daz rejects from its vendors (that's been told to me by a couple of vendors)


They say a lot of things, I'm more concerned on what they will do,  the same was said when the Content Paradise products were merged into their catalog, but the "new products" page was FLOODED for days and days with 10+ year old content, and they also added products in mass so it kind of hurt vendors releasing new products there.


In a way they HAVE to make sure Poser stuff get's "top billing" so to speak just to try and recoup on their investment into Poser, so really only time will tell.


Oh.. and as for them being a "dumping ground for daz reject products"  that is NOT the case, granted SOME vendors might do this,  but I know many vendors there who just refuse to sell at Daz, so they sell at Renderosity, here, and other marketplaces.


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Originally Posted by: Masterstroke Go to Quoted Post
I d be happy to see those Rendo DAZ vendors here.


Our doors are open wide for um :)


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#15 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 2:22:21 AM(UTC)
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I think the reality was Rendo bought Poser to keep it from disappearing. The Portugal location (where the poser development was) was already hiring mobile engineers last week (via LinkedIN), so there was probably layoffs of the Poser developers. And the users on the SM Poser forum was unceremoniously locked out of posting this morning. I wouldn't put more into this than keeping the program around for the people still using the program. SM was in the process of offloading Poser because it's been a dead weight for a while, compared to other graphics apps like Moho (which hasn't been sold). Rendo probably got a bargain on the program to buy it.


From what I heard, the code for poser is a mess and a good chunk of the docs are in german. I doubt there would be many improvements from Rendo since they aren't a dedicated graphics software shop. If the Portugal group, that was dedicated to Poser, couldn't come up with nothing more than a few patches in the few years they had control of the code, what does a group specializing in web store fronts going to do with a 3D app?


That announcement was low key since if you look at the hot list, it's DAZ products being sold, not Poser. If they want their shop to close really quick, they'll stop selling the DAZ stuff and start pushing the inferior poser products, with those horrid promos. So I don't see ANY of the DAZ only vendors going anywhere; they're keeping the store funded. It's probably a wait and see situation to see if they can do anything with the code before promising anything. If they are able to do anything with the code, the should probably look at making it work with current standards (weightmapping for example) so they can get those DAZ figures imported without using DSON.  I don't even see any poser native figures being supported here to think rendo buying poser will shift that balance. 

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#16 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 4:38:26 AM(UTC)
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I've been hoping for this news for a while. At least Poser is now in the hands of people who actually use it and want to improve it, not just another corporation. I'm sure Smith Micro had the best of intentions, but like any public company, they focus on short term profit.


I doubt we'll see an immediate improvement in the program itself. Like others have pointed out the code for that program has changed hands at least 3 times so far and the documentation is probably a mess. At this point, it might honestly be easier to start from scratch, but at least they own the Poser trademark and copyrights and all that stuff.


Also, from the Renderosity article:


"Poser animation software has had a long history with Smith Micro, and I am pleased to see it going to a long-term partner in Renderosity," said William W. Smith Jr., President and CEO of Smith Micro.

Well, there's yer problem. Will Smith may have made some pretty good movies in his career but he knows fuckall about running a software company. /joking

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#17 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 5:21:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Zaavaleta Go to Quoted Post


. Like others have pointed out the code for that program has changed hands at least 3 times so far and the documentation is probably a mess.



The company changed hands, but the developers have always been the same, except when they were fired and the programmers from Portugal was brought in. 


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#18 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 7:21:08 AM(UTC)
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Looking back, that Poser-SmithMicro relationship has been thee longest. I think any before has not been longer than 2 years. SM deserves some credits, after all they were the ones introducing the dependency editor and making the morph brush usable, before they messed it all up again with Poser11.
BTW: I've asked for DS stuff support and they promised to continue selling content for DAZ  Studio.
We'll see.


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Originally Posted by: SnarltheWerewolf Go to Quoted Post
I would imagine they feel like they invested a lot with La Femme trying to make an original base character. They were already selling all of SM's old figures and props, might as well just own Poser. I feel like it stands a better chance as far as support goes with Rendo than SM. And as you pointed out they do have more new Poser content than anyone.

Interesting, and promising, new wrinkle for Poser users. I hope that Rendo doesn't end up being a Poser only shop. I've always enjoyed having a second option to buy daz items, not to mention a lot of Daz vendors sell the items that Daz rejects at Rendo.


Absolutely. Reducing the marketplace is never ultimately of benefit for consumers.


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#20 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 9:51:53 AM(UTC)
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All Renderosity would have to do is, in my opinion is have someone go through and re-distribute and re-allocate the products they sell into a Poser category and a DAZ category, make it easier to find both on their site as their interface isn't great. And while they're at it also have a way to filter stuff that works in both.


 


Then they need to sell as much stuff as they can to pay for this, it really doesn't matter which type they sell, they just need to sell a WHOLE LOT of ANYTHING period to pay for this and DAZ stuff has the same share or split as poser stuff, so why would that matter?


 


Next they need to make sure, as others have said, that DAZ Genesis 7 and 8 stuff works in poser, and not just the figures, make D force clothes and hair compatible with the clothing room, and try to convince DAZ to support Poser Dynamic clothing natively without an extra plugin.


 


Finally, they need to select a figure, which for females it appears to be La Femme, but they need a Male too and they need to get this up to snuff NOW.


 


Otherwise it's just going to be status quo.


 


 


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