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#1 Posted : Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:40:42 PM(UTC)
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Hi all, new to this place, referred by a forum member from Daz, I really feels like a kid in the kandy land in this place, other than the license issue.   


I noticed there're "extended licensed" version on some product and every product has it's own "license user agreement"  


Cause I was looking for anatomical feature on my male & feature characters for my adult content project.  and I find items sold here are much more economically friendly than Daz's pro version and then some 


But what I need to aware about the license?  So far I only got golden palace and afraid to buy more before I figured it out, the last thing I want is get into a legal storm for my hard work


 my project includes


1. A lot rendered single frame images will be shown on devaint/reddit 2. animated videos  3. adult comics 4. an interactive game where players will see different images/videos according to the choice they make 


Am I in the clear or products I bought here won't let me do these? 


 


Edit: of course, I will credit the author in my work if needed

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#2 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:13:05 AM(UTC)
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Simple answer not every item has its own licensing agreement, it is just that every item sold has to include Renderotica's licensing agreement in the .zip (Just like Daz and Renderosity, and really any other store selling 3D content will include the EULA or Licensing Agreement) yes, there are a few vendors that do include a reminder that the work is copyrighted in their individual readme, but this is more as an attempt to deter piracy than further limiting use from what the standard license allows


 


Though you should read through it it is a pretty standard agreement, you as an artist have right to use the images you produce for commercial or non-commercial purposes, be that 2d sprites or images used in games, to comics, or prints of images, but you are not allowed to redistribute the product in any way ie you can't give the zip away or upload the product in any way that the meshes or vertex information can be retrieved by a third party (ie no using assets in a 3d game engine)


 


The extended license is for game developers and outlines what additional right the vendor has granted allowing usage within a 3d game engine for game production.


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#3 Posted : Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:54:41 PM(UTC)
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Simple answer not every item has its own licensing agreement, it is just that every item sold has to include Renderotica's licensing agreement in the .zip (Just like Daz and Renderosity, and really any other store selling 3D content will include the EULA or Licensing Agreement) yes, there are a few vendors that do include a reminder that the work is copyrighted in their individual readme, but this is more as an attempt to deter piracy than further limiting use from what the standard license allows


 


Though you should read through it it is a pretty standard agreement, you as an artist have right to use the images you produce for commercial or non-commercial purposes, be that 2d sprites or images used in games, to comics, or prints of images, but you are not allowed to redistribute the product in any way ie you can't give the zip away or upload the product in any way that the meshes or vertex information can be retrieved by a third party (ie no using assets in a 3d game engine)


 


The extended license is for game developers and outlines what additional right the vendor has granted allowing usage within a 3d game engine for game production.



 


Got it, all clear with the license, of course I won't be redistributing anything, the only thing I worry about is that one of my project is a game(only with images and videos) once it got to players hands, if some savvy user decide to find the file path and extract it without my permission, I won't able to foresee it, hopefully I won't get into trouble because of that. 


 


Thanks for the answer


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#4 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2020 12:42:01 AM(UTC)
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As long as the bought files aren't included in the game it should be fine. If your using products for images and video. The extended license as far as I know is for games that require the models in it to work properly, or at least my understanding of it. That's why they are so "expensive". 


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#5 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2020 1:56:00 AM(UTC)
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The extended license is for instances where users are creating games using the figure and attached clothing, grafts, etc. in Unreal Engine or Unity as examples, where the meshes must be imported, poly reduced, rigged to work in the engine, and saved as an asset for use in the game engine. If the game is released to the public, it requires redistribution of the modified mesh so the more costly extended licenses exist for that purpose. Again it is the redistribution part that requires the extended license.


 


You are free to take the figures into Unreal Engine to play around with and even make Machinima films with the assets, since there is no redistribution of the meshes or modified meshes it would still fall under the standard license, as the Machinima film created would be the same as any other animation output from Daz Studio, Poser, Lightwave etc as the meshes can't be extracted from the video.


 


With a game using images or video animations, there is no way to extract the mesh from the game. At most they can extract the artwork or video, but as both of those fall under the standard license as being okay, there would be no reason for an extended license.


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#6 Posted : Friday, July 17, 2020 7:42:17 PM(UTC)
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Got it! thank you two


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#7 Posted : Sunday, April 25, 2021 10:19:26 AM(UTC)
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I am interested in making sure I understand this as well and, just to be clear, if I make a game in unity that uses prerendered 2d images or animations, does that fall under the standard license or would that require an extended license? I guess I'm just confused because when I look at the extended license info, it says "The Licensee may use the Product to create any 2D rendered image or animation." Is this saying that prerendered use in a game isn't allowed without this particular extended license or is it just including the standard license use options? Thanks
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#8 Posted : Sunday, April 25, 2021 11:09:09 AM(UTC)
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Simplest answer is if you distribute a game, whether for free or paid for, look at the assets you create and package with the game. If they are all rendered images or video files it should fall under the standard licensing agreement. If the assets are the meshes themselves, or the meshes converted to a format that works in the game engine you are using. Which then allows the end user to move and control said figure in the game engine, then you are dealing with an instance where the extended license is needed. The go to standard is can the end users extract a usable mesh from the assets sent with the game and use said mesh in a 3D program, if they can't it will fall under the standard license, if the mesh itself is extractable then it will require the extended license.


 


My guess is the line you've quoted from the extended license is just clarifying that the extended license also includes uses that would be covered under the standard license, basically making the extended license a blanket license, where the standard license is considered a limited license, since it limits what usage the end user can create as output using the bought assets ie. no output creation where the meshes can be extracted. 


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#9 Posted : Sunday, April 25, 2021 11:59:12 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the quick reply. That's exactly what I needed. I read more of the standard license jargon as well and that totally jives with what I'm getting from it. Thanks again!
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#10 Posted : Monday, April 26, 2021 2:24:08 AM(UTC)
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Laymans. In general.
Think of it like a Baseball Bat.
You CAN give/sell pictures of the Bat from any angle you want, because your selling the pictures.
You CAN'T give/sell the Bat though.

Games like Mortal Kombat 1-3, 3D'ish pictures in 2D you're cool.
Games like Mortal Kombat 4+, actual 3D space, where the camera can spin around the object. You need to look into the extended licenses.

Keep in mind also that there's a good amount of freebies, some based on other copywritten IPs, some just at the artist discression, that dont allow ANY commercial use, even for just renders.


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