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Greetings: I have returned to RC after many years. Previously posting my fetish art that was done in lead pencil, then colorized by an art program, scanned and then posted. About a year ago, I decided to venture into with the help of a friend of mine into AI via Stable Diffusion, that can become a part of an art program (Krita) I also learned a few things and believe me I'm still learning. What I downloaded was the Krita program, with (and I had to do it) a Stable Diffusion, insert? Injection? Once set up the Krita based AI (Stable Diff) can then be applied to existing images, and or be set to create from prompts. I also learned that AI is an energy and memory hogg and not only did I have to take my brand new underpowered PC into the shop and give it bigger onions but the very platform of my PC was now limited. Even with more memory, and the appropriate graphics card, while I can utilize the AI on my PC it is slow and laborious, but it works. If I choose to expand the range and processing speed, I need a different and better PC. Also, as I'm learning, this AI is in it's infancy as programs are growing in capacity and ability, already leaving behind "models" that aid in body types, traits, ages, expressions, etc, etc. In other words what was a year ago is quickly becoming outmoded. The other difference with a downloaded AI program, is that, and in my case, I can choose to be cloud based and then be subjected to possible censorship of NSFW images, or as I did, turn my computer, in essence a server, and eliminate the censorship issue. Still the low powered issue with my PC remains which hinders the full range of what Stable can do, and never mind even attempting to down load some of the big encomapssing AI models such as Comfy (I think I spelled that right) What I can share with you in this big, rambling muse, is that I am enjoying what it can do with very limited illustration, or previous works I did, and it's transformation, correction and polish it can do to a piece that is run through the AI factory. As one who is erotically enthralled with the male form seeing it spanked in age regressive formats, or seeing the male form bound erotically or even in male tentacle sex encounters. So far, I've enjoyed it. Do I think it's fully arrived? No. Do I think it will replace 3d modeling, or drawings or paintings? No, and I hope not, It is quick art for the masses, for me personally it is a better, image, that serves my fetishes, better. Franco
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A point that saw extensive discussion in another forum was the enjoyment of the process that AI eliminates. We agreed that we get a huge kick out of 'playing with dolls'. One can load an interior, dress it and rearrange items to suite our needs then spend time fiddling with lighting to set the mood. Then comes the actors and actresses. Of course they have to be dressed. That turns into an enjoyable several hours as the characters try on different outfits. Once satisfied with their costumes it's time to pose. With posing comes accessories and/or various toys. During the creation one might become inspired and make a large change to the scene, requiring a pile of other changes.
This can go on for ages and is great fun, along with being an exploration of one fantasies.
AI takes that away. You write some prompts then go away while the software grinds along making a scene you didn't want. What I'm hoping for is for AI to be able to short circuit the looooong grunt work involved in rendering.
I've fiddled with AI enough to mostly now ignore it. I'd rather spend the evening 'playing with my girls' than watching the computer grind away without me.
It's the process, NOT the result that's the most fun.
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Very True. For me personally, and at this point in time, with my images, and the subject of my images which represent an attempt of a "better" visual articulation of my fetish(s). I find I get the results I like while throwing back into the machine it's more mundane offerings. The trick of the machine, or the software I am dealing with is impacted by the lack of power in my computer, and my lack of teasing this little beast, and prompting it to go above and beyond, or simply amplify what I want to see. It's focus is narrow, it's preference in processing is obvious, wanting things up close, and any distance results in distortion. Of course technically this will improve but perhaps because I admit I am not a fine arts artist, that I fine letting these programs visually explain my fantasies. The question with AI is, if it's "weak" it is a filter effect. if it's to strong, he can create odd results while looking photo real. Your analogy of the doll details is what I do with my original pieces, some complete, others not, and right now, the results for me have been 50/50, with prompts helping, or doing just the opposite of what I want. For me, I work in an AI environment of Prompts plus a reference image. Personally I prefer that in an AI platform rather than one of just prompts. Franco
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Well put Baginski, I very much agree with the dolls thing, most of the pleasure for me too is in the process rather than the end result in itself.
But you are also right Franco, AI is just another method and if you enjoy the process or the end result then it works.
Either way I think there is a huge thrill in discovering a new inspiration when you intended to create something else, or the satisfaction of achieving what you set out to.
TP. I'm just here by mistake, for a friend, for science... anyway you can't prove nuffin'.
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Originally Posted by: Baginski 
It's the process, NOT the result that's the most fun.
However, this is not always the case. It might be for you but not for everyone and/or not all the time. Also, sometimes the process of creating the images is not what you want to enjoy but the process of creating something else with those images, like a story or a game.
I don't think AI will ever replace making renders with Daz for me but I can also definitely enjoy using AI. My point is really that you can't just judge what it is for everyone based on what you personally enjoy doing. Some people actually hate the process and the time it takes.
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Originally Posted by: Baginski It's the process, NOT the result that's the most fun. Originally Posted by: BBSoft
However, this is not always the case. It might be for you but not for everyone and/or not all the time.
Hmmm...I have to go with Baginski on this one. I absolutely love the process of creating a character, creating multiple outfits for them for the various scenarios that I may or may not actually render, and keeping them around in case I decide to revisit that. I'll spend hours, sometimes days on one character, tweaking them to get as close to the look that I envisioned before I save them as a scene preset, and I love that process. Rendering? A task, sometimes tedious. Lighting is always the biggest bottleneck, but I can certainly enjoy that part as well. But the time that I spend actually taking a base figure and turning them into something that I have in my head, or as close as I can get with the morphs that I have...that's a lot of fun.
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Well, guess I'm the latest to jump onto the AI bandwagon and I'm very much in agreement with the above: messing around and fiddling is pretty awesome, but the results.... meh, I dunno.
I mean, especially if you want a little bit more out of the "naugthy bits" then you'll soon run into plenty of issues and limitations. The so called LoRA's (basically "adjustment filters") can add some cool new contents, but they also only do so much. Try adding some public hair to your models and you'll most likely fail, because a somewhat realistic penis or vagina is one thing but going all the way? naah.
And that's not even mentioning generic fetishes... a (naked) girl or guy tied up somehow? It's only going to do so much for you, maybe some rope is going to show up, but something more complex like... say... ah: bamboo bondage? I don't think so.
(now I got reminded about the 80's (or earlier?) movie "Brides of blood").
I also love messing around with this stuff, but there's little "boner danger" here for me.
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I've never tried 3d modeling programs. I was tempted prior to the AI arrival, it is so amazing and artistic. It appears to call for not just "tech" savvy, but artistic and photographic ability, as well as one hell of a learning curve, frankly I wasn't sure I had the stuff for both of that. In the AI realm it seems that it's excellence is equal to it's inconsistency. Cloud based programs, seem burdened with censorship. Even the ones who charge a fee for NSFW, put shorts on their results instead of the bare ass you asked for. And if you want a muscular hairy ass (if that's what you want) good luck. Same with body hair or pubic hair. Even with with Stable Diff downloaded on my system, the Lora models work, and sometimes they don't. The "weakness" of AI I have experienced are: The weird placement of eyes (eye direction) no matter how you want to direct the look, via prompts or inserted image. Extra fingers and toes, or misshaped feet, and then the genitals, specifically male genitals. I've never seen so many Lora dick programs, that for me have produced so many strange textures and shapes, not to mention without the commands of negative prompts the propensity of the program to slap a vagina on my men who's legs are spread. I admit I dabble in AI for my own titilation, to see mental images created before me outside of my mind. And yet sometimes I ask, is this the best I can do, or is this the best AI can do? Franco
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I admit to feeling a bit like a usurper here at Renderotica as my new hobby of creating NSFW AI images contrasts with the more traditional 3D renders herein.
I recall in the early 2000s coming across 3D images that dealt with adult themes, kink and BDSM...and not only was I blown away by the quality of the product I was envious of those who had the genuine artistic ability to create/share them.
Fast forward literally two decades and it's gratifying to be able to post my own visual 'work' and get feedback from Members. I believe it was mentioned above in this thread that AI is a huge optical assist for writers such as myself who pride themselves on their ability to turn a phrase. As my staple since 2002 has been non-AI generated prose (short stories dealing with subjects like sex slavery, dungeons, rape and worse) it has ONLY been via the intervention of AI that this humble Scribe has been able to augment his kink experience with visuals.
Grateful for that..
And, I must confess, along the way I've found that I generally now prefer an AI representation of non-consensual fetishism over traditional 3D renders. As long as a certain amount of care is taken to not simply 'spit out scenes'. Just my thoughts.
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Good thoughts indeed. For me, primarily it has always been about spanking (as you cant tell) For a long time I drew, then did some photo manipulation and now AI. It's been like making a cake from scratch and maybe buying good quality canned icing? Don't know if that is a suitable analogy. And for shits n giggles I've had some rather, surprising interesting chat threads with AI on "spanking"... Franco
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"AI" isn't any one thing. There are trivial web based platforms that will give the simplest soul a "milf with big tits" with five seconds of no work at all. Or you can spend hours, weeks, months, learning the intricacies of these VERY complex applications. So its anywhere from the trivial to the extraordinary. Tools that take no effort, to others that are really, really complex. Spanking specifically has been a challenge unless you have a model that that has some training on the concept -- something you can do yourself with a LORA, or generate using an image prompt. Its all down to familiarity with these tools 
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I agree with you. And, I believe I'm grasping your well written thoughts. AI is lots of "things" and one thing it can be easy and sloppy. I'm not sure where I fit in, and I have to write this within the context of my spanking fetish, because for most of my life recreating exciting experiences in spanking (on a personal level) where the reason to create them in art form. Initially in pencil, shaded, on watercolor board. Far from perfect, but somehow locking in with that inner interest and excitement. Then came the drawing burnout, and the slow development to photo morphing; taking pieces and parts of an image to create entire characters, then put them together to (hopefully) make an image work. Approaching yet another case of burnout, I discovered AI in the form of a Stable Diffusion (model) loaded into an art program (Krita). This packaged mixed into a low powered PC, did allow me to either transform components of, what I refer to as base models, (completed characters that either spank, are being spanked, have been spanked or watching) Fed through Stable D with Loras at various percentage has given me a satisfaction in a completed image to the degree that my drawings could not compare. Now to animate them on a cloud based program, is like some fascinating slot machine that I have to keep trying. Learning to prompt especially with GUI models is almost like learning sentence structure anew, as well as learning the weak spots, and the inability of a model to deal with certain points of view in a 2d static image, the depth of it, and for me to learn if the model I'm working with as a strong intuitive nature like Grok, prior to it's self crippling censorship that has reached it's current peak in January. I've learned that the current model I am working with must be prompted or that part of the image stays dead, and accompanying audio is a real guessing came as far as conversational volume and realistic expressiveness. What I have gleaned so far is that with cloud based programs, it is more of a gamble in prompted, the directness of the prompts, matched successfully with the expressiveness of it. and the innate limitations of the model and helping it overcome them to a greater degree with prompting. My plan in continuing this is to eventually submit my original pieces in a a program on my home PC which is powerful enough to enhance, create images and do image to video, edit it and in short do more than a 6 second romp. Great comments, and forgive my long windedness. Franco
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Initially, I was fully "F-U AI." Now that I've started experimenting with I2V and First Frame/Last Frame I'm starting to see the possibilities. I'm evolving an opinion that AI isn't really that different from what we have been doing with Daz and Poser for years. You can be lazy and produce mediocre output, or you can learn the tools and make something that looks great. Is there a lot of just plain bad imagery out there? Heck yeah. But there is also some really good work. Too many pre-teen nudes and girls with giant tits aren't a selling point for AI. That's lazy shit. Yay, you can write a prompt. It's a fucking boring, repetitive image. What's the story? Lack of story is a huge weakness in a lot of AI.
That said, I am starting to think that AI could be a leveling field. You only have to look at some of the fan Star Wars AI vids that are out there to realize how utterly broken Hollywood has become creatively. I would pay to watch an AI created Star Wars movie along the likes of what I'm seeing from some of the AI creators, vs. the corporate "The Message" drek that Lucas Arts and Disney have been excreting lately. If AI enables the "little people" to create good entertainment outside the system, I'm all for that.
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