Renderotica

So I'm just coming back to using DAZ Studio after quite a few years away, have a story I want to tell in a  lot of renders - not actually an erotic/porn one as such, it's more an action adventure thriller that will include a few explicit sex scenes - and was running through whether I have everything I need to do it, when I suddenly realized that while I've got quite a few sex action sets from Thunder-3D, Layla and some others here, there's one kind of sex pose set I'm missing, and it's largely absent from the Renderotica store - a man masturbating himself. About all I could find is a Farconville one which is very staged, like posing for a photographer, completely unnatural. And one 'Cuckold' set with a few poses that are OK in between the hunched up and miserable ones. Oh, and some poses of men standing, looking down and jerking themselves off as part of gangbang sets. It's funny: there's a ton of pose sets here for two or more people getting it on in contact with each other, and while they are comparatively few, there's still a choice of sets of a woman, alone,  masturbating herself on a bed, in a chair, kneeling, standing etc amongst all the multi-person sets from Thunder-3D and Layla and others. But of a man? Nada. In my case I want it for a kind of foreplay sequence where the man is sprawled on a bed or possibly couch or armchair and watching while the woman does a little stripping sequence, then some posing, then starts playing with herself as she sees how watching her has made him get very hard and started him wanking himself before she then comes over and they get it on. But a pose set of a man jerking himself off in a natural way, not in a weirdly artifical way, could have a number of uses: he might be watching a couple having  sex; he could have porn videos playing on a TV or laptop he's watching; or for a sinister story he could be watching the feed from a hidden camera of the subject of his infatuation he's stalking. But it is a weird hole in the pose offerings here that there's every combination of FF, FFF, FM. FMM, FMMM, FFM, FFFM etc right down to just F - but no just M. Surely amongst Thunder-3D and Layla's catalogs there's room for one set of a man giving himself some self-love and having one off the wrist?

(As I say, I've been away from this for quite a few years, and will be using the G8M and G8F that were current when I went on hiatus, so G8M if anyone feels like picking up the challenge.)

Originally Posted by: ZenMaster3D

Ey there!

Well, let's see if I can be of any help.. First things first though: you're talking about a story project, is this something you plan to actually release as a product, or would this be solely for personal use?  Reason I ask: licenses. Just wanting to remind you that some products are sold for personal use only, and if you plan to do more with them (such as releasing a product of your own) then you may need to look for a so called "Extended license". Note: this isn't only about Renderotica, even the Daz3d site applies this rule (there it's called an "interactive license").

I know this isn't what you're asking about.. but still figured I'd mention it just in case, always check the README to see what you can and cannot do with a product.

In the first instance it's for me and maybe sharing with a few people. I might or might not decide to put it up on DeviantArt, but just free, not for sale.

Yes, I've got a G3M Farconville set from back in the day. But that's what I mean when I say a 'natural' set. All his are like some porn star in exaggerated 'look at me' poses like posing for a photo set for a porn site, or some performer in some kind of club acting up for an audience. like on one knee but stretched out like in a lunge. Some of the female solo masturbation sets are 'OnlyFans' model performing for her webcam' type, but even they are more natural and more like she might be just pleasing herself on her own.

This is ... frustrating. Another site I wasn't familiar with with a name beginning 'render-' (not -osity) actually has several sets of a man masturbating in a natural way, one standing (but leaning on and facing a wall), one sitting, one lying etc, and in a bundle on sale ... but they're each looping  aniblocks with just a handful of poses, and given that I don't want the aniblocks the price is too high. There''s also a nice set of a woman masturbating with a hand and a dildo in various positions, very natural, while in all of them holding her phone up in her other hand landscape so she's clearly watching some porn while masturbating. I haven't got any use for it, but good idea for a set, and again there could easily be a male version, but no.

Hey, I could pose them myself. I was looking back. I started with the 3D CG stuff end January 2004 (and have been a member here since 2004 - the 'member since' in our profiles got reset after Renderotica changed hands in 2012) with Poser 4 and briefly Michaal 2 and Victoria 2 (before rapidly understanding what a false economy that was and moving to the then state-of-the-art Generation 3 figures). I note that my first render of two figures loaded together, nine days after installing Poser 4 (abandoned for DAZ Studio the day the DS 0.9 public beta was announced) was of Michael 2 lying on his back with Victoria 2 kneeling beside him jerking him off, all hand posed by me. And when i wanted some proper, real world, as taught by the military shooting poses with an assault rifle for Stephanie 3 Petite and there were NO poses for her, and only Hollywood school of shooting poses for M3, V3 and D3 I might have converted, I took a long time painstakingly doing a full set of real world correct standing, kneeling, lying, the two sitting variations, ready, show clear, and underarm assault poses - which I then put out as a freebie on *deleted* (which I see has gone while I've been away from the hobby). I also have every pose converter from the one I used to convert Nemirc's pose sets from here for M2/V2 to M3/V3/D3/S3 back in 2004 through to the freebie one I created for G3->G8 the day the G8s were released (which i see has been downloaded 6000 times from R'osity ... and I always used too get my freebies downloaded far more from *deleted* when I put them jup in both as I did with that). So, yes I can pose it myself. And I always have to adjust the pose myself after using pose presets because poses are mostly for unmorphed base figures, which I never use so almost always have to adjust for the morphed or proportion-altered body parts. The thing is, as I said, this will be a LOT of renders. The story is the equivalent of a full-length film, and I'm intending to do it as 'pages' with each being a render with dialogue underneath as in a film, TV or play script, and minimal narration just for elements of action not clear from the render. If I have to hand pose any more than I absolutely have to it will take far too long, so I'm, just going through the assets I have and looking for anything missing from what I'll need.

But while this is something I want for me, it's actually more the general point. Why are there no good pose sets for a male figure jerking himself off in a realistic way when there are quite a few of women masturbating with both hand and dildos? Quite apart from use in stories, there appear to be enough hetero women and gay men involved in the hobby for there to be a market for such things.

This has made me realize ... not something I NEED but there are some really underserved areas of sexual activities when it comes to pose sets. Always yet another volume of the basic missionary, cowgirl, doggy, reverse cowgirl, blowjobs, but ... what about mutual masturbation? Can be great to do and hot to look at, whether as a preliminary to penetrative sex, or just for itself, and can end up with simultaneous orgasm. How about a set of that? Basically there's sets of blowjobs with a bit of hand-job sets here, and the odd 69, but what about a good mutual masturbation set?

Start with poses of a couple both sprawled side-by-side on a couch (or in bed), maybe looking forwards as if at some porn movie on a screen. Then she's touching herself between the legs, he's starting to get hard, and starts stroking. Then they're looking at each other - it can be very hot seeing your partner getting turned on by looking at you. She's rubbing herself harder,  seeing him getting a serious boner as he's looking at her. She maybe starts playing with a tit, pinching a nipple, showing how erect it's getting while he's really gripping and jerking himself. Then poses where he starts rubbing her while she takes over wanking him. Then poses where she gets up and sits astride one of his thighs, or he gets up and kneels so one of his thighs is between her legs. Now  she's rubbing herself hard on his thigh while she continues jerking him off. One or both can play with her tits as she grinds herself on his thigh, wanking him harder and harder until ... time it right, she comes to a shuddering orgasm on his thigh while he blows a load onto her tits and/or belly. Or it can be taken as a lead into her hoping onto him for some cowgirl and back to the regular penetrative sex.

Sex doesn't HAVE to be just vaginal or anal penetrative sex or blowjobs. How about a set that isn't just volume X in standard positions, but some solo and mutual masturbation poses? Bit of variety. I'd buy a set like I just described even though ot doesn't fit into any current plans.

Oh, and you guys have heard of the amazon position, right? OK, they both need to be quite fit ...

This is the closest thing I have: Themed but contain masturbating poses

https://www.renderotica.com/store/sku/70740_Caught-Stroking

https://www.renderotica.com/store/sku/73604_Bound-Cumming

As was said the reason male items aren't done is because they don't sell well. 

Chaosophia Store link

Originally Posted by: matt

You're right, there is a dearth of male centric products on the market, I don't care which figure you're talking about or what kind of product it is. Poses, clothing, hair, characters...the market skews very heavily towards the female figures and for good reason: that shit sells much better. That being said, it is really annoying.

Oh I know. Long history of it. As I said I became a member here and was checking daily for content (not the comics/stories) in 2004. Continued checking the new content daily even after I became disabled in 2007 and my actual rendering ground to a halt, and didn't totally stop checking in the store here and buying content I still hoped to use until 2020.

But that doesn't explain the lack of e.g. mutual masturbation poses. And as someone who, when I had and could have a sex life, as a hetero cis male was really turned on by seeing how much I was turning my partner on, it doesn't explain the total focus in the male-female sets here on her pleasing him. Maybe I've missed some, but in the sets I've got and others I've glanced through, there's lots of her giving him blowjobs, fewer but still some of her giving him hand-jobs. But where are the ones of him giving her some cunnilingus? Him with his hand between HER legs getting her off? Seeing the woman getting more and more aroused, arching, shuddering, fists clenching from what i'm doing with my hand and tongue was extremely hot. But pose sets? Nada. Only option is re-purposing some lesbian sets. And ... again I may have missed the odd one, but while she's giving him a blowjob or hand-job, where are the poses where she can't help putting one hand between her legs and rubbing herself while she's blowing or jerking him off because she's so turned on; or in many poses where she's within his reach him reaching down and playing with her, stimulating her while she's blowing or jerking him? There's a weird lack, given the general pro-female figure bias of products, of her getting pleasure herself. It's all what she's doing to him, with no consideration for actions to give pleasure to HER while she's doing it.

Many decades ago, when i was at university, for awhile I had a girlfriend who had a psychological block against penile penetration of her vagina. She had a lot of sex drive apart from that. She'd give blow-jobs (I'm probably the only man who's not actually really into getting one - it's OK but not something I look for), hand jobs, boob jobs,  cowgirl rubbing her (wet) labia along my dick, just not taking it in, and she loved seeing my dick pressed against all of her body and me cumming on various parts of her body, and I could get her cumming and thrashing like mad with tongue, hand (she had no problem with putting fingers in her) or other parts of my body. And we'd be at it for hours, both having multiple orgasms in a session, both finding watching the other masturbating themself back to ready for more a real turn on. It was great - enough I didn't miss sticking my dick in. But it would all come under 'mutual masturbation', and apart from the blowjob/hand-job sets there's no sets covering that, no mutual masturbation, and as I said even in the blowjob and hand-job sets I'm not seeing any where either he or she is giving her a rub while she's doing it.

It's just weird to me as a guy who likes seeing a woman having sex that the male-female sex sets pretty much ignore any action to give HER pleasure too, whether by the guy or the woman herself. It's funny - there have been many surveys showing that a lot (often the majority) of women can't orgasm from vaginal penetration alone, they need clit stimulation alone or as well. Yet the cowgirl sets, when she's upright, the poses don't show either her or him reaching out and rubbing over her clit while she's riding, the doggy sets don't have any with her reaching back with one hand to rub herself too while he's pumping away - all the very common real way people act.

(It was funny: one girlfriend who became wife, became ex, was convinced that very unusually for a woman she could only orgasm with a dick in her. She also thought she wasn't multi-orgasmic. That struck me as a personal challenge, and the first time I did actually succeed in making her cum just with tongue and fingers, she was so shocked. As she was the first time I got her cumming more than once. Shocked but happy.)

As I said in my reply above, nine days after installing Poser in  2004, and eight days after buying Michael 2 and Victoria 2 (mistake - didn't know anything about all this then) my first two person render was Michael 2 lying on a table, propped up on his elbows, with Victoria 2 standing beside the table giving him a hand-job. Entirely posed by me, ages getting a natural arm  position for her and then the hand and all the finger and thumb bones giving her a grip round his dick as I hadn't discovered other Poser content stores (DAZ Studio didn't come out until the 0.9 public beta was released later that year, to which I rapidly moved after trying ti on release day) aprt from DAZ to buy p[ose sets from. And I hand posed a lot where there weren't existing pose sets for things I needed (like SP3 shooting a British Army SA80 assault rifle in proper real world military style), even gave away a couple of sets as freebies. So I CAN hand pose from scratch or - better - a vaguely similar position, and pretty much always have to tweak bought poses to fit my morphed and scaled characters, especially with any contact between two figures. But I'm still limited by disability and could really do with some bought poses that will only need tweaking.

And ... it's just coming back after five years away from the hobby and seeing market holes STILL there. Multiple volumes of some sex position, still with none just moving an arm and a hand and some fingers to give her some stimulation too. And still nmo good sets of mutual masturbation.

Well, not here at Renderotica. I presumed this was still the top sight for XXX content. But this OTHER site I wasn't aware of, where I see some vendors here also sell but there are other content creators too, there's actually some more 'real' male wanking poses, and I've found some mutual masturbation pose set, or sets including some. Could do with more that could make a kind of sequence, But hey - progress, just not here. Two sets I do need to buy here, but after that ...

Originally Posted by: Godless8

I made these long ago. If I understand correctly they should fit your needs:

https://www.renderotica....65535_Jacking-it-for-G8M

https://www.renderotica....65597_Jacking-Him-for-G8

Ah. I looked at these on the other site where they came up when I searched there, but not here. Part of my saying there were some there. Hm. Problem for my specific need (when I get to that bit, which will be awhile) is I need three or four of the guy sitting jerking himself off and getting more and more aroused looking at her while she's posing in various ways for him and getting more aroused herself seeing the effect she's having on him. Which means I need a number of more or less the same position, just variations - 'sprawled back wanking 1, 2, 3, 4' rather than 'standing wanking, sitting in chair wanking, sitting on bed wanking, hanging from the banisters wanking' kind of thing. That first set of yours has one, maybe two if I put him in a chair, or one, maybe two if I sit him on the bed. So I'd be paying 12 USD for two poses. I'll make a note. However, searching there for your sets just to check I wasn't going mad thinking I'd seen them there brought up someone else there who does a sitting set, a lying set, a kneeling set ... You may have been very helpful in a way you didn't intend. 😊 Thanks.

I will often buy a pose set just for one or two poses in it, assuming that at some point I may use the others. As you mentioned, posing from scratch can be done, but it is a PAIN IN THE ASS, which gives me a lot of respect for the vendors who mainly sell poses, as I mentioned. 

Thanks for your stories. I've been with girls that would cum from vaginal alone, some required stimulation, and one would cum really, really hard from anal. She'd beg me for it even though it was not my favorite place to put my dick. Dudes are easy...we stroke or rub, and ppppppftttt! Every woman I've been with has always been a learning curve. What works for one absolutely does not work for another. We have to be patient and learn them. 

I'm sorry to hear about your health issues. I'm not disabled (yet) but I am getting up there in years. Things that I used to do easily are now a challenge. I should probably start exercising a little more while I still can. 

Originally Posted by: DavidGB

And thirdly I was very mistaken to assume that Renderotica was still the main source and first port of call for XXX DAZ Studio poses. I found all the above with just a few searches on a certain other Render-. There are two pose sets here I'm going to buy now, but then I'm going to be buying elsewhere, at least for a lot of poses.

If it is the place with a Hub as part of name.

Beware! They have almost no QC/Testing and a lot of poses that vendors submitted to sell here, have required massive amounts of reworking by said Vendors just to pass QC here. It is like the Wild West over there in that they'll allow or take anything Vendors submit. 

Just a general warning.

Well thanks for the warning. But I've had issues with 'QC-ed' pose sets from here, R'osity and DAZ where I have to use scripts alongside them because of the fundamentally flawed way they've been saved, or do batch search and replaces to fix whole sets. And there are sets there at -hub for things I want where there simply aren't here, or the ones here are too few and too limited. And fixing a good pose saved badly is still a lot less painful work by me than doing it myself from scratch - and as I said, concentrating on anything, doing anything literally causes me mounting pain, so the less I have to do the better. I buy things from here when you've got things I want/need - I bought 9 of your sets last month,  Chaosophia, even if I'll be re-purposing them a bit from the way you present them (I tend to feature capable female action heroes who actually look like they'd cause damage hitting a guy, not like skinny actresses who the stunt men tell to really hit them because they know they'll barely feel it, and like male action heroes they are sometimes overpowered and captured, but it won't be easy or the end of the story), and a Thunder-3d and a Layla set yesterday. But the rest of what I want isn't here but is there. You make and sell what I'm after here and I'll buy it here, But you vendors here all say it doesn't sell enough, or you (collectively) are not thinking of things the way I am so aren't making what i want, so ...

A lot of the sex action sets here actually say in the blurb how they've been made to be really realistic. Huh.

Make some sex sets where it's not just the basic action but it incorporates some actually simple features into what he's doing and/or what she's doing to increase her pleasure, not just his (or with a lot of real women give them ANY actual pleasure at all). Do some good couple mutual masturbation sets, starting each doing themself while they watch each other, also usable as just one performing for the other, then each masturbating the other including at the same time, and I don't just mean hand-job, and her grinding pussy on parts of his body, him rubbing his dick on parts of her body. That can be used as a prelude to the penetrative 'full sex', but also take it to an orgasmic end without penetration. And I think in stories, not solo images, so I need sets with e.g. a guy sitting in a chair jerking off through a number of poses, same with her, so i can do a sequence as part of a story, not sets of one on a bed, one on a chair, one swinging from the chandelier, one hanging upside down from a tree. The odd set here may have one pose (paired MF poses) that gives something I've just mentioned - but just one in a set. There's vendors at the -hub producing what I want; here there aren't. And there are some vendors there, with quite large catalogs there, who I've known in the DAZ/Poser world for twenty years, whose freebies I've used over two decades and they're quality (alongside some vendors there who are also here), so ...

Make what I want and sell it here, I'll buy it. If vendors at the -hub are selling what I want and you all aren't, well, I'll buy their sets that will need some fixing up rather than not buy any and have to pose from scratch, which I CAN and have, but ... pain. And I always have to fix poses up - your poses of several guys restraining a woman, Chaosophia, need fixing when i use them, because their arms and hands are wrong when the woman's 5' 6" with thickly muscled arms, not default 5' 11" with skinny pipe-cleaner arms. I EXPECT to have to do work on poses from anybody and any store if the poses are characters physically interacting, or even just a single character touching some part of their own un-morphed body - I know a lot oif users don't morph bodies, but I never DON'T morph them.

Nothing changes, even when I've disappeared for 5 years and been silent for most of the 10/12 years before that after i became disabled but was still silently checking the store here for content each day. Back 2004-2007 I wanted good, practical unisex clothing for SP3, then V4, certain morphs, certain pose sets. Deafening chorus from vendors of 'oh it doesn't sell enough to be worth it'. So I had to learn to understand, read and edit Poser Cr2, PP2, PZ2, obj files, then DSON, to convert clothes before clothes converters were a thing and doing it the hard way with a text editor, borrow morphs from male figures for SP3/V4, bulk edit pose sets. Which ended up with me having enough technical knowledge I was being used so much in the DAZ forums and, back channel, by DAZ thermselves to figure out technical problems and weirdness I hardly ever got to do any renders other than of products that exploded into spikes in DS or some other weirdness, then more testing as i hacked the files to nail down the problem, find a work-around and send the DS tech guys detailed bug reports so they could fix whatever for the next DS release. But here we are again: 'oh it doesn't sell enough to be worth it'. Well. I don't know if many of the vendors at the -hub are just doing it as a hobby and it doesn't have to be cost effective in terms of how much they make, or there's a different userbase there than here so for them it IS worth it, or you here are presuming it's not worth it because the attitudes from the mid-2000s have just been ingrained and continue to be assumed, but ... have you actually looked and seen how many different products there are there by several different vendors of just fairly realistic solo male masturbation compared with here? And sets where they could all be used as a connected sequence? There's pages and pages. The ONLY male masturbation poses there are a lot of here are all the ones of a standing male jerking off while looking down from all the voluntary or involuntary gangbang pose sets.

So, recommend I don't buy there when what I want is available here by all means. When it simply isn't here and vendors here say it's not worth producing it ... most faulty pose sets have the same fault in all the poses, amenable to a bulk fix once it's been identified. And it's still less actual physical pain bulk fixing and then tweaking for re-sized and morphed figures than doing all the posing by hand myself.

Edited by user Monday, September 1, 2025 4:41:40 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

Originally Posted by: Chaosophia

Noone is discouraging you from buying from there. By all means do what thou wilt. It is just something from experience to let ya know.

Oh, by the way, Chaosophia - did you feel your ears burning about two weeks ago? If you did, that was me cursing you after applying  one of your 'restrained' poses and realizing that, in my years away, I'd forgotten you are yet another vendor that doesn't know how to save pose presets properly for use by others as the pose sent the figure out of view flying across the room from where I'd carefully positioned it.

It's been basic since before I started with this stuff in 2004. For poses for use by others, any rotating and translating of the whole figure you need to do to the figure for the pose you do with THE HIP and NOT with the Body. And you then DON'T include the Body rotations and translations in the preset. So the user uses the Body translations and rotations to position the figure wherever in the scene - which could be a hundred metres away up on a gantry on a big set - and your pose does the necessary translating and rotating with the HIP and doesn't include values for the Body so the pose is applied to the figure wherever the user put it rather than sending the figure flying back to 0, 0, 0. That has ALWAYS been the rule, originally with Poser, then DS. When I said there were vendors of poses at Rendo, R'otica and DAZ I always needed to use scripts to fix their pose presets, I'd forgotten I have to break out a script to transfer rotations and translations from body to hip and then re-save without the body rots and trans with YOURS.

This is basic stuff. So much for Renderotica's QA. If you use the Body to rotate and translate, then your preset will send the user's character wherever you had it - usually around 0, 0, 0 - wherever they had it and had put it. Same if you use the hip but include the Body xtrans, ytrans, ztrans as that will override the users' settings again and send the figure back there. For poses for distribution, freebie or sale, do  NOT use the Body, use the HIP, and do NOT include the Body trans and rots in the preset (or especially the Scale in the Body as that would override a setting that might be being used for the character's height) - you shouldn't include the Body settings at all - save recursive from the hip). Sheesh. That was one of the first things I learnt about saving poses over 20 years ago. I don't know about now or if their QA is still as robust as it used to be, but your pose sets wouldn't have made it through QA for sale in the DAZ store back then.

Hey, we don't all just set figures up at 0, 0, 0 and render them there, we may be moving them all round a small or large set so pose presets should NOT override wherever the user has positioned the figures in the worldspace. One of my pain mods has largely trashed my memory ... I had a feeling when I was buying your sets the other week that there was a reason I'd been reluctant to use your poses if I had a choice, but didn't remember what it was until your pose screwed with where I'd put my figures. And you compress the presets too, so I have to decompress them all to then fix them. <Sigh>