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To each their own, but maybe, just maybe... don't be a dick about it?

Have a great day!

I have seen the light! 

I refused to believe OP's comments about crappy products but as it turns out we have all just been proven wrong by our very own Chaosophia! 

Have you guys seen Chaosophia's latest Shitty product?!!

OMFG! 

No... that's not an insult.. trust me...    It's a really "shitty" product there. 

I have never ever laughed so hard while checking this website... 

 

This has actually been one of the biggest factors in why I'm not buying much at all anymore, but I'm probably in the minority because I switched over entirely to G9. Most of my favorite vendors at non-Daz stores are not supporting G9, and I realized that if I want to stick with the figure in the long run I should probably start learning to make my own content; I expect the G9 content life cycle to be fairly short and for them to go back to split-gender meshes. That's nothing against the people who are sticking with G8--a workflow change and extra compatibility concerns for a figure with mixed reception isn't something I expect people to want to deal with unless they actually like working with the figure, and vendors seem roughly as split on that as any other user. I do appreciate the support for G9 where it exists, because I know it's taking a risk.

The other factor is...well, I was planning to move into content creation eventually anyway, but I don't have a lot of confidence in Daz as a company at this point, and I don't really want to sell with or buy from them, even if I'd like to keep supporting creators. Daz has shown incredibly poor business sense, I think they've played games with their vendors' livelihoods, and they've pivoted so aimlessly in the past 5 years that I expect them to continue trying to get in on the ground floor of every investor-bait hype bubble with an oily tech-utopian sheen.

A lot of younger folks do not even know that Daz exists, and if they'd moved right I think they could have gotten interest from a lot of people in fandom and adjacent spaces who are interested in 3D art but intimidated by programs with a big technical learning curve. I got a ton of questions about my fanart; I've had younger people buy commissions and adoptable characters from me, and most of them had heard of Poser but never Daz. They assume Daz stuff is done in Blender. I used to never shut up about DS and trying to encourage people to try it, but I don't even talk about it anymore because most of the people I know who might otherwise be interested would take one look at the company's recent history and actively boycott it.

I'm not trying to say that it matters that they basically lost me as a customer; I don't think I'm representative of the average user or even of people who spent frequently. But even though I struggle with Blender's complexity, I would recommend anyone pick it up over Daz these days simply because the Blender Foundation is significantly less likely to spontaneously implode because somebody at the top invested half of the organization's funds into Bitcoin or virtual real estate or something. I've seen weirder stuff happen in the past few years, and I genuinely think this is a risk with Daz. And trying to move over means that "Can I make this work in Blender?" and "Can I already do this with Blender's native features?" are now big factors in my purchasing decisions. 

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The Stable Diffusion take much time, Could the artists make some AI products? such as LORA or checkpoint meet the contents of renderotica?

I think many customers would like to pay for them.

 

Whats the issue with calling out sellers ? You need to chill, clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.
And what's your point of telling me to create my own assets ?? Your remarks are completely useless, if you don't like certain food are you going to become a cook ? No ? Well shut up then !

Glad I made you this mad, just by reading your reply it seems like the truth hurts you bad lol.

Keep lying to yourself by believing in your own bullshit that there is nothing wrong with the quality of the products being released lately.

Once again, there is a vast difference between negative feedback and constructive feedback. You started this discussion trying to denegrate the people that spend an incredible amount of time making products.

Hey, you don't like the food you're eating? THEN MAKE YOUR OWN DAMN FOOD. Even Seinfeld did that. You don't even do anything. There is no intrinsic need to share your art, none whatsoever. Your gallery has only two pictures and that's perfectly ok. The problem arises when you say that the people that make the things you want aren't doing enough. This is their living. Full stop. I don't even care if you asked for items they didn't make (which you didn't, according to your last 10 posts, it's just you bitching about things): if it's not worth them spending time to make it then they don't have to. Hell, none of them have to make anything. Your money is the key to what they make. Unless you're willing to hire a personal chef to make you lasagna don't complain about the restaurant that offers high-end lasagna that isn't how your mother made it.

Am I angry? Yes and no. No because I don't personally make content on the catalog. I have never created the things you're deriding. Yes, because this is a very small community does an awful lot to facilitate ANY type of sexual rendering. 'Rotica is THE place for what people want to render in a sexual manner. You do not contribute to this community but get your rocks off by trying to bully it. I do not care for that. So many content artists, not just on this site but every single one, spend a long time learning how to make something, anything. You say there's a drop in quality. There's not. If anything there's a drop in customer imagination. Supply and demand. You have not asked for anything at all. There is no demand for other items. Chaosophia, who you've decried, is literally the opposite of what you're mockingly saying. Bondage poses? What type are you looking for? They've got capturing, tossed, knocked out, ON A BUS. How about aliens, or monsters, or zombies? They've got that too. Expressions? Dozens of lesbian poses? Masturbation? THEY DO IT. They do it all and yet you call them out. If it was free you'd eat it up with a smile. Your problem is that people that spend hours of their life making a product wants paid for that time. Boo fucking hoo.

Davo is prolific. Layla is prolific. Godless8, Matteo IO, lightBLUE, Vunter Slaush. They are all prolific. Why? Because they dedicated time and effort into creating the things people want. Making it easy for us. 

Your truth is actually just an opinion. It's also a fart in the wind. It befouls the air for a moment and then it's gone. Just like you.

Ahoi fellow smutsters,

Well from my point of view the quality is still there but it is being drowned in a lot of quickly put together products. On top of that I concur with those that say some stuff kinda gets repetitive, as Davo and others mentioned. I myself have asked for items which where then put up for sale. Be it the cum products by several artists or the equine genitalia for G8/9(?) or the various morphs for the male genitalia by Meipe or the milking station by Davo. As the latter said, it has to be bought by someone.

I for example miss a lot of realism in a lot of products. Why is no one recreating things from real life. I still get requests for my freebies I put up years ago and those things are made off of primitives. I want proper Bdsm furniture, like the horsebank by Synfulmindz, I want a variety of latex clothes and harnesses etc. And I know I am not alone. But a lot of times the products in the shop look gimmicky and lack realism. For example I have a freebie harness from Jepes website that has been made for M4 way back. I still use it even though it’s a pain to work with, but it looks like a thing from a fetish boutique and that’s why it is still being used over and over again.

I also noticed that some people here have taken inspiration from my images. Be it my use of piercings (primitives), ball stretchers, cock rings (both also primitives) etc. I had searched for that stuff for ages, couldn’t find it, made them myself and shortly thereafter vendors came up with products. Why? Because it makes sense to offer stuff from the real world. Sure we go overboard in our images, but I myself like to keep a sense of reality and that’s what people ask for when they order an image. It makes them think it’s possible and makes their mind go boioioioiiing. (Sorry… I’m a Beavis and Butthead fan)

I don’t know… I guess I’ll post another reply when I get home from my business trip with various products and stuff I have used and or experienced myself. Last time I did that, at least in my mind, there was an uptick in great products.

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One thing I like about your products, are that they are not resource intense and modular.  So, I can use whatever I want from each set, change materials, etc. Don't ever stop that.

About customers not buying as much, here's my absurd reasoning for why I don't buy as much these days.

 

I'm getting back to being a little more active after too many years but even before I semi-dropped out for a while I had drastically cut back on buying since I just don't like anything other than the cr2/obj format because I use Carrara and duf format is so wildly inconsistent importing to that program that I gave up.  The dson and other solutions were hit or miss, and I wont buy something not knowing if it will work.  When Genesis was first released they drove me out of their forums over at DAZ because I refused to stop referring to the figure as Genocide (it killed ALL future cr2/obj stuff!) and when I was told I'd be banned if I didn't stop I just left voluntarily so I didn't burn any bridges  (their forum, their rules - I didn't like it, so I left with no hard feelings).

 

But anyway... I only buy "poser" products intended for Gen 4 figures and even below.  So naturally the options for me to buy are limited.

 

If people are wondering what to create and have a large catalog, there are ways to rework things to make them fresh and not seem so much like more of the same.  I got started doing 3D Art making silly scenes and animations for a Dominatrix who hired me to make her website (and who I almost married, but that's another story) and spent a lot of time reworking BDSM Poses to swap the V4 figure for an M4 and vice versa to make Femdom scenes out of the stuff I bought.  There's a lot more work than it seems on the surface switching them around in an animation like a spanking scene I bought.  So maybe just offering pose sets for old stuff with the roles reversed could both be new and welcome and even possibly bring renewed attention to old sets.

 

But I have never sold this sort of content and assume it has not been done because nobody but me cares.  That's OK if it is, but it seemed on topic so I said it.

Your comment on niche requests has to be the most 'on target' comment in this whole thread.  I'm sure I've made a couple requests like that myself.
What turns a person on is sooooo personal and can be seriously sick, twisted, disgusting and creepy to everyone else.  I used to hang around in AoD and Vod but found the art there to be way too hardcore for me.

So where does that leave us?  So much has already been done.  I love the old campy bondage/torture stuff and 'gizmos' from artists like Eric Stanton, Gene Bilbrew, Georges Pichard, and Bishop but I would imagine that it's appeal is pretty narrow.  I love to watch the Peril's of Pauline on occasion as there's a fun scene with some neat torture/bondage devices that are ridiculous but fun.   Prior to the big purge, there where a few people on Pixiv making some items I would have loved to have, but they're gone now and haven't resurfaced anywhere else.

Perhaps we could have a 'suggestions' section and allow folks to vote on the suggested items.