Renderotica

Originally Posted by: Mino96

will solve the problem for the standing pose......but there are other problems than:

I don't find it surprising, because the purpose of setting up rigid group is to prevent such distortions. 

Please send me the obj you used to generate g8f shape morph in #38 and I'll try to make morph correction morphs. 

Originally Posted by: 3feetwolf

Originally Posted by: Mino96

will solve the problem for the standing pose......but there are other problems than:

I don't find it surprising, because the purpose of setting up rigid group is to prevent such distortions. 

Please send me the obj you used to generate g8f shape morph in #38 and I'll try to make morph correction morphs. 

Hi, thank you for the help, but i dont think this is an option, because if i buy a product like this, i want to use it on all my g9 figures. i have testet it out and it works only on normal shape and victoria, all the other models from the store and my own models have the same problem more or less. do you want make correction morphs for all models coming in the store in the future and all other models? perhaps the concept of making a geocraft for the whole middle part of the model is not the right concept?

Is there another possibility or concept for a geocraft which fits on all models?

Originally Posted by: 3feetwolf

Did more tests, figure compatibility morphs are valid for Biddie, CB Arceli, CB Marli, HID Nora 9, Minerva 9, MSO Lorienne, MSO Peppa, MW Elisabeth, etc.

1. Minerva 9 works fine now except this:

I can't seem to get rid of the gap here without making the anus area too sunk-in...

I would like the glutes to be together or at least a way to smooth them out. There is just a very hard edge here. Compare that with the base gens using the same shape shift morph (SS Glute Inner Close: 50%):

Also, it seems like there aren't a lot of morph options for the lower part of the labia minor, the whole gens seems to be very "straight". The morphs only affect the upper part of the labia minor making the lower part mostly straight. It doesn't seem like I can make realistic looking genitals with it. Perhaps I am using it wrong?

One last thing, I was curious, what was the motivation to cover so much of the upper thighs with the geograft? Why would a smaller geograft not be more advantageous (i.e. able to use more morphs like Shape Shift without a lot of issues)?

Stated a few times previously. Your subD is too high. Lower that and it will work.

Originally Posted by: void

I have that issue on subD 2. Ive been using Minerva at subD 4 though, could that be part of the problem?
Ill double check to make sure.

This should not be a bug, but I will modify the script so that you don't need to manually modify every time. Before I updated NG9, you can go to the surfaces panel and manually set the SubD Displacement Level of NG9's Genitalia surface to 4 without modifying the character's Render SubD Level. 

Originally Posted by: void

Originally Posted by: 3feetwolf

Originally Posted by: void

I have that issue on subD 2. Ive been using Minerva at subD 4 though, could that be part of the problem?
Ill double check to make sure.

This should not be a bug, but I will modify the script so that you don't need to manually modify every time. Before I updated NG9, you can go to the surfaces panel and manually set the SubD Displacement Level of NG9's Genitalia surface to 4 without modifying the character's Render SubD Level. 

Hi 3feetwolf. I am having the issue with Minerva 9 HD. I havent tried anything with any of the other characters as I only have the one. I made some other attempts to render with Minerva HD at subD 4 (default) and NG9 at subD 2(default). I hade the same result, Daz dosent seem to want to render, it gets stuck on the updating scene message. Its possible that maybe it starts eventually but after 2 minutes I just close it out. But I only seem to have this issue with Minerva HD. If I load base Minerva at subD 3 and then change NG9 to subD3, I can render. So I dont know if the issue is HD specific or what. Hope you feel better soon!

The reduction of the SubD is pretty much the current workaround. I also have no clue what causes the hiccup, but at least this gets the render starting.

Originally Posted by: 3feetwolf

Originally Posted by: thedeadjester

Originally Posted by: 3feetwolf

Did more tests, figure compatibility morphs are valid for Biddie, CB Arceli, CB Marli, HID Nora 9, Minerva 9, MSO Lorienne, MSO Peppa, MW Elisabeth, etc.

1. Minerva 9 works fine now except this:

I can't seem to get rid of the gap here without making the anus area too sunk-in...

I would like the glutes to be together or at least a way to smooth them out. There is just a very hard edge here. Compare that with the base gens using the same shape shift morph (SS Glute Inner Close: 50%):

Also, it seems like there aren't a lot of morph options for the lower part of the labia minor, the whole gens seems to be very "straight". The morphs only affect the upper part of the labia minor making the lower part mostly straight. It doesn't seem like I can make realistic looking genitals with it. Perhaps I am using it wrong?

One last thing, I was curious, what was the motivation to cover so much of the upper thighs with the geograft? Why would a smaller geograft not be more advantageous (i.e. able to use more morphs like Shape Shift without a lot of issues)?

Thank you for the detailed feedback. I seem to have had Covid19 again last night and now have a bit of a fever and can't concentrate... I will discuss it with you again when I feel better.

Sorry to hear you are not well, I hope you get better soon. When you are better I thought I would add this example. Here is what I was able to do with MeshGrabber on NG to get it to look more like what I want (and what I think looks more realistic):

I adjusted the labia minor with some random variations as well as closed the gap between the glutes up to the anus to make it more linear and smooth to the opening of the anus. Basically a morph that converges the two sides of the glutes to the base of the anus would do the trick and adding some more morphs to multiple parts of the labia minor (the topology is good enough to suppor this).

Originally Posted by: void

Originally Posted by: 3feetwolf

Originally Posted by: void

I have that issue on subD 2. Ive been using Minerva at subD 4 though, could that be part of the problem?
Ill double check to make sure.

This should not be a bug, but I will modify the script so that you don't need to manually modify every time. Before I updated NG9, you can go to the surfaces panel and manually set the SubD Displacement Level of NG9's Genitalia surface to 4 without modifying the character's Render SubD Level. 

Hi 3feetwolf. I am having the issue with Minerva 9 HD. I havent tried anything with any of the other characters as I only have the one. I made some other attempts to render with Minerva HD at subD 4 (default) and NG9 at subD 2(default). I hade the same result, Daz dosent seem to want to render, it gets stuck on the updating scene message. Its possible that maybe it starts eventually but after 2 minutes I just close it out. But I only seem to have this issue with Minerva HD. If I load base Minerva at subD 3 and then change NG9 to subD3, I can render. So I dont know if the issue is HD specific or what. Hope you feel better soon!

This problem basically only happens on HD character. Because the Render SubD Level of a HD character is set very high. The purpose of this is to get
HD morphs effect in the rendering results. Other than that, HD character is no different from the ordinary character. 

The cause of the problem is that the number of polygons that the Iray engine can handle is limited. According to my own tests, a HD character, plus
NG9's displacement map, the number of polygons that Iray needs to process when rendering these two may exceed its limit, causing the rendering to
stagnate/hang. 

To avoid this problem, it is necessary to reduce the number of polygons that Iray needs to process when rendering. There are two parameters that can
be modified to reduce the number of polygons, one is the Render SubD Level of the character; the other is the SubD Displacement Level parameter in the
Genitalia surface of NG9 in the surfaces pane. In the future update, I will set the default value of NG9's SubD Displacement Level to 4. This will
eliminate rendering stalls/hangs after applying NG9 to HD characters.  

Originally Posted by: thedeadjester

Sorry to hear you are not well, I hope you get better soon. When you are better I thought I would add this example. Here is what I was able to do with MeshGrabber on NG to get it to look more like what I want (and what I think looks more realistic):

I adjusted the labia minor with some random variations as well as closed the gap between the glutes up to the anus to make it more linear and smooth to the opening of the anus. Basically a morph that converges the two sides of the glutes to the base of the anus would do the trick and adding some more morphs to multiple parts of the labia minor (the topology is good enough to suppor this).

Cool! 

So your main goal is to make the butt look more natural when the thighs are splayed? Could you share me this scene for the referring? I only need the character + ng9. 

Is MeshGrabber easy to use? Morphs have too little flexibility in adjusting the shape...